1911s suck...part 2

[POINTMANDDT]

Nice video, I couldn't believe what this Wilson combat director was saying about 1911's. I mean I knew there was truth to it, but I couldn't believe he acknowledge them. One of the biggest things I agree with is that, " 1911 owners invest their ego into their gun". But, I think I invest my ego into my Glock too, not its looks of course or even cost, but it's reliability. What I gather from the video is that, if you want to have a reliable 1911 you need to buy a quality 1911 and know how to maintain and tune it every once in a while. Most people don't, which is why you hear about the problems so offend. That and there are just some many makers of this platform. But even the Wilson guy said their pistols will have to be maintained offend to assure reliability.

Man I bet the 1911 forums are scrambling to come up with excuses about this guy. I hope their egos don't get in the way lol

[fullspeed1]

Like Larry Vickers and Ken Hackathorn both said, if you have a choice between a 1911 and HK45, and you pick a 1911, "You must be F***ing brain dead." Product plug or not, these guys are premiere 1911 pistolsmiths/users, Enough said.

[NYT]

is the 1911 the best choice for a combat side arm? no, the glock, hk or sig are light years beyond it.

is it an absolute work or art and as gorgeous as a Hawaiian sunset? yes, yes it is.

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[fullspeed1]

is the 1911 the best choice for a combat side arm? no, the glock, hk or sig are light years beyond it.

is it an absolute work or art and as gorgeous as a Hawaiian sunset? yes, yes it is.

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I agree, 1911's are sweet shooter's.

[hatidua]

As far as I'm concerned the entire debate is an example in irrelevant ,mall ninja intellectual masturbation.

indeed

[DRAB_81]

Like Larry Vickers and Ken Hackathorn both said, if you have a choice between a 1911 and HK45, and you pick a 1911, "You must be F***ing brain dead." Product plug or not, these guys are premiere 1911 pistolsmiths/users, Enough said.

This deserves to be quoted & re-emphasized.

[POINTMANDDT]

is the 1911 the best choice for a combat side arm? no, the glock, hk or sig are light years beyond it.

is it an absolute work or art and as gorgeous as a Hawaiian sunset? yes, yes it is.

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^^^^^^ and they are fun to shoot !!

[Merc1138]

Umm, what was that at 2:31? and 4:00? I'm not going to sit and watch the whole video, I was just flipping through it and saw that. I'm not saying that Taurus' are pieces of crap or something, but to have multiple malfunctions in a torture test type of video doesn't really prove much of anything. I only even saw the 4:00 malfunction because I left the video playing as I was typing this post(after checking back for the time on the first malfunction I had seen) and looked back at the other monitor with the video running because it didn't sound right.

Did it again at 4:11...

That's not showing me how reliable it is...

edit: And again at 4:50 as I unpaused the video after hitting the submit button for this post. Were you trying to demonstrate that a Taurus 1911 can't work right by posting this video or something?

edit again: Ok, apparently it was Taurus and not RIA. Still a piece of crap as demonstrated by the video though.

[SilverTauron]

This deserves to be quoted & re-emphasized.

Nothing against the hallowed experience of the guys above, but I disagree.

If your job is akin to theirs-meaning your day job is travelling to foreign countries where your very presence is illegal , they're absolutely right. Its difficult to find a gunsmithy in a non-permissive environment, and an equipment failure as a Delta operator can not only result in the user getting dead but a failed mission as well.

Fortunately for us proles, being an IT specialist or office drone in America is hardly that demanding.The job of defending yourself from a gang banger is completely different from the job of a Delta operator toting a pistol in Indian country under cover. A D-boy stands a good chance of actually using his sidearm to put down a bad guy, whereas in all likelihood my 1911 won't be shooting at anything but paper targets until the day I die. Its also worthy to note that when a Delta operator shoots someone there wont be a Grand Jury convened after the fact.

Just because a gun is recommended by the elite operators does not make it the best choice for civil defense, as the job of personal defense and carrying a gun for king and country are two entirely different duty situations.

[zfields]

Umm, what was that at 2:31? and 4:00? I'm not going to sit and watch the whole video, I was just flipping through it and saw that. I'm not saying that RIAs are pieces of crap or something, but to have multiple malfunctions in a torture test type of video doesn't really prove much of anything. I only even saw the 4:00 malfunction because I left the video playing as I was typing this post(after checking back for the time on the first malfunction I had seen) and looked back at the other monitor with the video running because it didn't sound right.

Did it again at 4:11...

That's not showing me how reliable it is...

edit: And again at 4:50 as I unpaused the video after hitting the submit button for this post. Were you trying to demonstrate that an RIA 1911 can't work right by posting this video or something?

That video is for a taurus...


The one at 4:00 almost looks like he had a case blowout, pretty large plume of smoke from the chamber.

[ap3572001]

I carry Glock. 40 on/off duty. Sometimes I would carry a three inch. 357 revolver. But when I go target shooting bulls eye style , in my shooting box You will find a Smith and Wesson model 41 and a custom 1911 . Its been that way since the early 80's.

[InGrAM]

How did I know there was going to be the very same internet idiots posting in this thread as I stated above..... The interweb is getting so old with its inexperienced, "tacticool", wannabe mall ninjas.

Anyone can see that this is a video plug for the Wilson brand $2500+ 1911s. If you can't... then you are blind, def and dumb.

[DRAB_81]

Nothing against the hallowed experience of the guys above, but I disagree.

If your job is akin to theirs-meaning your day job is travelling to foreign countries where your very presence is illegal , they're absolutely right. Its difficult to find a gunsmithy in a non-permissive environment, and an equipment failure as a Delta operator can not only result in the user getting dead but a failed mission as well.

Fortunately for us proles, being an IT specialist or office drone in America is hardly that demanding.The job of defending yourself from a gang banger is completely different from the job of a Delta operator toting a pistol in Indian country under cover. A D-boy stands a good chance of actually using his sidearm to put down a bad guy, whereas in all likelihood my 1911 won't be shooting at anything but paper targets until the day I die. Its also worthy to note that when a Delta operator shoots someone there wont be a Grand Jury convened after the fact.

Just because a gun is recommended by the elite operators does not make it the best choice for civil defense, as the job of personal defense and carrying a gun for king and country are two entirely different duty situations.

I other words, if you're not a "D-Boy", you don't need to concern yourself with how reliable/unreliable your SD gun is. There's a One in a Billion chance you'll ever have to defend yourself with it, so it doesn't matter. If it works okay during the 50rds a guy puts through it every year, it'll be good to go when he needs it most.


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[Merc1138]

That video is for a taurus...


The one at 4:00 almost looks like he had a case blowout, pretty large plume of smoke from the chamber.

Fine, a Taurus then. Doesn't matter in the end really. The gun malfunctioned a bunch of times, and the video does nothing but show that it's unreliable.

[POLICESTATE]

is the 1911 the best choice for a combat side arm? no, the glock, hk or sig are light years beyond it.

is it an absolute work or art and as gorgeous as a Hawaiian sunset? yes, yes it is.

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Why is the 1911 not the best choice for a combat side arm? Why are the Glock, an HK or Sig light years beyond it?

I've shot all these guns, owned a Sig and was convinced it was the best sidearm until I got a 1911. A year later I sold my Sig.

The issue is subjective. I don't think you can say any one gun is the perfect one-size-fits-all sidearm. I really don't.

I prefer the 1911, now in lieu of that I would go with a Sig next, but I wouldn't turn down an HK either. I don't like Glocks, I've shot several models over the years in 9mm, 40 and 45 and without exception I don't like the feel, I don't like the performance. Sure I suppose if I put enough time and rounds through one I would get pretty good with it, but I still don't like the gun.

In my opinion, the 1911 is the ideal combat handgun.