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  • #16
    morrcarr67
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Jul 2010
    • 14917

    Originally posted by StormRaven

    I read that, but wasn't sure how I could get it to apply. I guess it depends on the seller, but that does seem like another way... only thing is, who determines if a 1972 Colt is for historical purposes or not? For me, it is. My attraction to the vintage revolvers is strictly because they ARE old, and part of law enforcement history, among other reasons.

    Originally posted by Rorge Retson

    Actually, it depends on the receiving FFL, who would be accepting it under C&R rules. I am trying to get a special gun in this manner right now, but have yet to find an FFL who will do it (it is not nearly as old and historical as your gun, so you should have a much easier time).
    I can pretty much say without a doubt you will not get this one via rule 3 for C&R exemption.
    Yes you can have 2 C&R 03 FFL's; 1 in California and 1 in a different state.

    Originally posted by Erion929

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    • #17
      Rorge Retson
      Veteran Member
      • Feb 2012
      • 2712

      Originally posted by morrcarr67
      I can pretty much say without a doubt you will not get this one via rule 3 for C&R exemption.
      Why is that?

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      • #18
        morrcarr67
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Jul 2010
        • 14917

        Originally posted by Rorge Retson
        Why is that?
        They are not rare, bizarre or novel.
        Yes you can have 2 C&R 03 FFL's; 1 in California and 1 in a different state.

        Originally posted by Erion929

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        • #19
          Rorge Retson
          Veteran Member
          • Feb 2012
          • 2712

          Originally posted by morrcarr67
          They are not rare, bizarre or novel.
          So a 40-year-old revolver is not rare? There are tons and tons of them out there?

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          • #20
            morrcarr67
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Jul 2010
            • 14917

            Originally posted by Rorge Retson
            So a 40-year-old revolver is not rare? There are tons and tons of them out there?
            No it's not rare.

            To be considered rare it would have had to have been built in limited numbers for a limited time.

            Take for reference the Bren Ten. It was made for only about 4 years in very limited numbers. That gun is rare and is listed by name as being C&R.
            Last edited by morrcarr67; 08-24-2012, 8:19 PM.
            Yes you can have 2 C&R 03 FFL's; 1 in California and 1 in a different state.

            Originally posted by Erion929

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            • #21
              Rorge Retson
              Veteran Member
              • Feb 2012
              • 2712

              Originally posted by morrcarr67
              No it's not rare.

              To be considered rare it would have had to have been built in limited numbers for a limited time.

              Take for reference the Bren Ten. It was made for only about 4 years in very limited numbers. That gun is rare and is listed by name as being C&R.
              There is more than one criterion that enables an item to qualify as a Curio or Relic. One is, you make it on the list. The other three are listed in the link I provided - which, by definition, means they are not on the list.

              Fortunately, it's not up to you. It's a judgment call on behalf of whoever decides it is a curio or relic. All the OP has to do is find an FFL willing to state as such.

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              • #22
                morrcarr67
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Jul 2010
                • 14917

                Originally posted by Rorge Retson
                All you need to do is find an FFL who will import it into the state with a C&R exemption.

                Yes, there is an 'official' C&R roster, but there are other avenues for getting it under C&R...for those items, they need to:
                "3. Derive a substantial part of their monetary value from the fact that they are novel, rare, bizarre, or from the fact of their association with some historical figure, period, or event."

                Full text: http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/curi...tml#definition
                Originally posted by Rorge Retson
                There is more than one criterion that enables an item to qualify as a Curio or Relic. One is, you make it on the list. The other three are listed in the link I provided - which, by definition, means they are not on the list.

                Fortunately, it's not up to you. It's a judgment call on behalf of whoever decides it is a curio or relic. All the OP has to do is find an FFL willing to state as such.
                You are correct Sir. There are more than one way to get a gun classified as C&R.

                IF he could get someone willing to use classification method number 3 he would be very lucky.

                I would give you 10 to 1 odds that he would never get an everyday run of the mill 1970's Colt Trooper Mk III classified as C&R with this rule.
                Yes you can have 2 C&R 03 FFL's; 1 in California and 1 in a different state.

                Originally posted by Erion929

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                • #23
                  Rorge Retson
                  Veteran Member
                  • Feb 2012
                  • 2712

                  Originally posted by morrcarr67
                  I would give you 10 to 1 odds that he would never get an everyday run of the mill 1970's Colt Trooper Mk III classified as C&R with this rule.
                  All he needs is that '1'.

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