Using slide release lever

[Press Check]

So you are basing your opinion/advise off one manual and therefore that nullifies my experience and that of everyone else here, that's an interesting point of view. Also someone has already posted that their Glock manual literally says the opposite so what does that tell you? That a 1911 can't handle the forces of dropping the slide on an empty chamber like a Glock can. So does that mean a Glock is more reliable and will last longer than you Springfield 1911???

My comments are specific to the 1911 pistol, and I hope that I really don't have to explain the difference between an all steel pistol and a pistol with a steel slide and polymer frame.

But again, we are talking about a controlled explosion here, do you really think that dropping the slide is going to hurt it more than shooting it the gun???

As noted numerous times, the cartridge absorbs the impact, so yes, slamming the action against an empty chamber will create more premature wear than firing the pistol.

If that is truly the case, a 1911 can be harmed by dropping the slide on an empty chamber, then now I understand why the military and LEO have moved away from that plat form. It just can't take the abuse other guns can now.

The FBI still maintains a contract with Springfield Armory to supply the 1911 Professional to their HRT, as did the DEA. The LAPD SWAT still carry the 1911 pistol, in addition to many other PD's. As for the Military, the Marines just placed a 22.5 million order for the M1911 pistol. Another unfounded comment.

Maybe I should start babying my Kimber Custom II a little more then...

Nope, no need, but it would certainly behoove you to become a bit more informed. That said, just put the shovel down before you dig the hole any deeper.

[Press Check]

Also someone has already posted that their Glock manual literally says the opposite so what does that tell you?

The Glock manual says to remove the old magazine, insert a new one, and release the slide, which is essentially chambering a new round, which is perfectly fine to do with a 1911 as well.

You can sling-shot or drop the slide on a 1911 as long as there's a round there to absorb the impact.

[Masada86]

Lol at the shovel. You still haven't answered the question and brought up the minority examples to use them as supporting evidence. Poor support and lack of evidence does not mean anything to me.

The Marines have been toying with the 1911 thing for 5+ years now. I'll believe it when they actually issue the pistols to Soldiers in the field.

CZ75 is an all metal frame and slide and it says to use the slide stop as a release as well. And it carries many 1911 features too so why is it different?

Maintaining a contract is different than actually outfitting an entire group, all that means is that it is an approved option. Standard sidearms can very from person to person. I think Sig and HK both have contracts with DEA and HLS...

[SilverTauron]

10-8performance.com goes into detail why you do not drop the 1911 slide on an empty chamber. Due to the nature of that pistol's hammer/sear interface, doing that habitually over a long period of time can cause the hammer to follow the slide. On the 1911, that can result in the weapon going full auto.

As far as competition goes, the prudent shooter plans for their gun to break parts at some point. It doesn't matter if its a 1911, Glock, Beretta, etc, run thousands of rounds of ammo through any weapon and stuff's gonna fail. In light of that perspective, dropping the slide at a competition to show clear is nothing considering eventually that competitor will be visiting the gunny.

[brian5271]

... So does that mean a Glock is more reliable and will last longer than you Springfield 1911???

OOOOOOOOO … Them is fighting words!!!! LOL

With all this arguing about slide stop / release and slamming home the slide ... Why don't we all just buy wheel guns and live a long life in peace and harmony?

[Press Check]

Lol at the shovel. You still haven't answered the question and brought up the minority examples to use them as supporting evidence. Poor support and lack of evidence does not mean anything to me.

The Marines have been toying with the 1911 thing for 5+ years now. I'll believe it when they actually issue the pistols to Soldiers in the field.

CZ75 is an all metal frame and slide and it says to use the slide stop as a release as well. And it carries many 1911 features too so why is it different?

Maintaining a contract is different than actually outfitting an entire group, all that means is that it is an approved option. Standard sidearms can very from person to person. I think Sig and HK both have contracts with DEA and HLS...

The CZ is no different. Use the slide release or sling-shot the slide to chamber a new round. What is it about that concept that completely evades you?

Poor support and lack of evidence?

Like I said, call any 1911 manufacturer, or any reputable Pistolsmith, and get the support and evidence you need, but don't expect a different response. They will echo what has already been said. You've ignored any and all fact-based responses regarding why slamming an action against an empty chamber will cause premature wear. Someone posted a link to 10-8 Performance, one of the leading authorities on the 1911, and you ignored that in favor of your unfounded nonsense.

Apparently, nothing makes sense to you, and probably won't simply because you're fixated on your personal logic.

Good grief.

[Tjfearl]

So then don't get mad at the sales guy when you're told to knock it off or outright told to leave. The same would apply for people who flip the cylinder shut on revolvers.

I didn't say I get mad. I just think it is funny. I would leave and spend my money elsewhere.

[Write Winger]

How funny, my buddy and I were just talking about this.

My first gun was a Beretta 92fs. The slide stop/release is positioned where you can easily reach it with your thumb (if you're right handed) to put it back into battery. I always used it that way and never thought much of it. It was also the only hand gun I used for almost 10 years.

Then I got back into guns and rented a 1911. I go to use the slide catch as a release and was like "what the hell, I can't reach it! This sucks! Why would they design it like this??"

Yup, cuz it's a slide catch. I even tried to use it as a release on a brand new Sig 1911, and it wouldn't even budge.

Guns are different, who knew lol.

So, being a lefty using my Beretta, I've started training myself to use it as just a slide catch and "slingshoting" it back after mag changes. It's helped my instinctual use of all guns.

[tal3nt]

"they" say that it's generally not good for the gun to release the slide using the stop. Still a necessary function though in case you only have one hand available to release the slide

[Shapes And Colors]

I own both a 1911 and a Glock. That said, I slingshot both and I don't slam them shut on an empty chamber, especially on the 1911. I just don't like the feel of the impact without a round to buffer it. The other reason, however, is I don't want to train myself to instinctually use the slide stop to release the slide in case I'm ever in a high stress shooting scenario. Using a small lever is all fine motor control, which I won't have in an adrenaline dump. Slingshot is a gross motor skill and I know I can accomplish that even under stress.

[finyllw]

I'd like to throw something in here,

I'm NOT a 1911 expert by any means, but I do own one. My experiences have taught me to pull the slide back whenever I want to release the slide. One reason is I have found you can feel if the bullet gets picked up and inserted into the barrel, and if you have an ejection failure you are more likely to get the case out faster if you make it a habit to grab the slide to release it. Think about every vidoe you have seen where there is a failure to eject. You see the guys grabbing the slide and pulling it back and forth several times. If you are shooting in a competition or shooting for your life, if the slide locks open, and you are the type to hit the release/lock lever, you may be wasting a couple seconds trying to figure out whats going on.

[Masada86]

I own both a 1911 and a Glock. That said, I slingshot both and I don't slam them shut on an empty chamber, especially on the 1911. I just don't like the feel of the impact without a round to buffer it. The other reason, however, is I don't want to train myself to instinctually use the slide stop to release the slide in case I'm ever in a high stress shooting scenario. Using a small lever is all fine motor control, which I won't have in an adrenaline dump. Slingshot is a gross motor skill and I know I can accomplish that even under stress.

Best response yet on this topic. Thank-you!

Personal taste is what this boils down to on how to drop the slide.

I suck at the sling shot method, so I've always trained to throw the lever. I do it now without even thinking now. I would drop the pistol if I tried to do it any other way in an IDPA match. LOL I actually did try it different once and almost lost the gun in the dirt.


Because they don't make a cool enough revolver yet...

[Dark Mod]

Dude so many parts will wear out faster than the slide stop

Ive qualified on pistols with probably millions of rounds through them, and millions of uses of the slide release. We were all trained to use the slide release, ive never seen a marine slingshot a pistol before unless hes trying to look cool.

[Mr310]

I'd like to throw something in here,

I'm NOT a 1911 expert by any means, but I do own one. My experiences have taught me to pull the slide back whenever I want to release the slide. One reason is I have found you can feel if the bullet gets picked up and inserted into the barrel, and if you have an ejection failure you are more likely to get the case out faster if you make it a habit to grab the slide to release it. Think about every vidoe you have seen where there is a failure to eject. You see the guys grabbing the slide and pulling it back and forth several times. If you are shooting in a competition or shooting for your life, if the slide locks open, and you are the type to hit the release/lock lever, you may be wasting a couple seconds trying to figure out whats going on.

[tbc]

I sling shot all of my semi pistols. It works.


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