Short Reset Triggers

[Farmertran]

I don't know the legality of short reset triggers. I used the search function and it came up with a slew of things. But, only one pertaining to the legality and I still didn't get a satisfactory answer.

PC 12020(23)(B) - A manual or power-driven trigger activating device constructed and designed so that when attached to a semiautomatic firearm it increases the rate of fire of that firearm.

I have no idea what a trigger activating device is. Does the short reset trigger fall into this section or otherwise illegal? If so, please state the code.

[dem0critus]

I'm not a lawyer, so don't quote me on this, but I'm not sure how that definition could be applied to an srt. "trigger activating device"? I don't think so. I get the feeling this legalese is aimed at those slide-fire stocks for AR and AK variants or something. Furthermore, I personally have purchased a sig with a "short reset trigger" from a gun store here in the great state of CA, so unless that's somehow been kept secret from big brother up there, I think SRTs are good to go.

[Farmertran]

Yeah, that's exactly how I found that section of code. Which is strange that that is what makes slide fires illegal because it doesn't actually increase the firing rate. Oh okay, I didn't know that you could buy the SIG with it installed from factory because I checked the CA DOJ roster of handguns there were no models that had the SRT installed straight from the factory.

[Plisk]

The Short Reset kit is not a trigger activating device. YOU are the trigger activating device. The SRT kit is merely a new sear and safety lever.

That part of the penal code is describing a device that actuates the trigger such as a slide-fire stock or those trigger cranks devices. Nothing is actuating the trigger, you are pressing it to fire the weapon normally as intended.

Sig Sauer wouldn't have gotten SRT equipped models onto the Approved List other wise.

Yeah, that's exactly how I found that section of code. Which is strange that that is what makes slide fires illegal because it doesn't actually increase the firing rate. Oh okay, I didn't know that you could buy the SIG with it installed from factory because I checked the CA DOJ roster of handguns there were no models that had the SRT installed straight from the factory.

You didn't look hard enough.

P229R Enhanced Elite (Black) E29R-9-ESE / Stainless Steel; Alloy Pistol 3.9" 9mm 4/17/2013

http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/p229-enhanced-elite.aspx

[Farmertran]

Ah okay, thank you for the clarification.

[davbog44]

The only thing I might add is that, if you were thinking of installing a short reset trigger on a carry pistol, you might want to check with the issuing agency first.

I know my County (Riverside) requires any modifications be approved by the Range Master, and there is also something in the paperwork issued with the application about exceptionally light triggers. While technically a light trigger and a short reset is not the same thing, I prefer the better safe than sorry approach.

If it's not for a carry pistol, to the best of my knowledge there should be no "legal" issues.

[Farmertran]

The Short Reset kit is not a trigger activating device. YOU are the trigger activating device. The SRT kit is merely a new sear and safety lever.

That part of the penal code is describing a device that actuates the trigger such as a slide-fire stock or those trigger cranks devices. Nothing is actuating the trigger, you are pressing it to fire the weapon normally as intended.

Sig Sauer wouldn't have gotten SRT equipped models onto the Approved List other wise.



You didn't look hard enough.



http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProdu...ced-elite.aspx

You're right, I only looked at the P226 models as that's what I have. My mistake.

And thank you Davbog44 it is not a carry pistol since I don't have a ccw at the moment. But, thanks for shedding some light on that subject. I had no idea you had to clear any modifications for a carry pistol.

[littlejake]

That law was put in to ban the Multiburst Trigger Activator. It was a cam with 4 lobes and a crank that shot 4 rounds per revolution.

Working your trigger pull, pretravel, et cetera is legal as long as the gun doesn't start to double because of the slide or bolt bouncing the sear out of engagement when the bolt or slide slams into battery.

I don't know about modifications to guns on a CCW permit; as LA County essentially doesn't issue them.

I did attend a reserve POST 832 academy in 1994; and trigger pulls under 5 pounds were forbidden (and they checked them.)

[unusedusername]

SRT is just the buzz word for Sig's new stock trigger.

Most of the new Sigs are coming with them now from the factory, even if it does not say so on the packaging.

You need not worry about them being illegal, or being a multiburst activator or somesuch.

The only real change with this trigger is that a while back, a gunsmithing company named Gray Guns noticed that many of people have finger lengths that cause them to naturally short stroke the regular trigger so they developed a trigger that reset with a slightly shorter pull to avoid the issue.

When Sig realized that the idea was taking off, they copied it so that nearly all guns are now coming from the factory with this modification already done.

If you are looking at them as a kit, make sure your gun is compatible with the kit you get. There are different versions floating around for different eras of manufacture.

[HighLander51]

The 1911 is the original short reset trigger, try a full on STI Open gun sometime. Less than 2 lb pull weight at about .020" travel.

[Markinsac]

SRT is just the buzz word for Sig's new stock trigger.

The only real change with this trigger is that a while back, a gunsmithing company named Gray Guns noticed that many of people have finger lengths that cause them to naturally short stroke the regular trigger so they developed a trigger that reset with a slightly shorter pull to avoid the issue.

There are actually TWO different triggers available beyond the original trigger. There is the Short REACH trigger, which appears to be what you are descibing, and the Short RESET trigger. The Short reach trigger is designed for use when you cannot reach the trigger reilably when in DA mode. The Short reset trigger reduces the SA distance you have to release before it is ready to fire again.

The GrayGuns modification doesn't alter the DA trigger reach - only the distance to SA reset after the first shot. It is, therefore, a short reset trigger. The Reduced Reset Comprehensive Duty Package reduces the SA reset by about 40% - I've used one, and like it. It is reliable for carry. If you're going to use it for competition, the competition package reduces the SA reset by closer to 60%.

[Plisk]

SRT is just the buzz word for Sig's new stock trigger.

Most of the new Sigs are coming with them now from the factory, even if it does not say so on the packaging.

You need not worry about them being illegal, or being a multiburst activator or somesuch.

The only real change with this trigger is that a while back, a gunsmithing company named Gray Guns noticed that many of people have finger lengths that cause them to naturally short stroke the regular trigger so they developed a trigger that reset with a slightly shorter pull to avoid the issue.

When Sig realized that the idea was taking off, they copied it so that nearly all guns are now coming from the factory with this modification already done.

If you are looking at them as a kit, make sure your gun is compatible with the kit you get. There are different versions floating around for different eras of manufacture.

As another post already pointed out, you are confusing the Short Trigger, or sometimes called "Slim Trigger" with the Short Reset Trigger. The SRT is not a new trigger part at all, it is a new sear and safety lever. The Short Trigger aka Slim Trigger is an actual trigger. The slim trigger sits father back in the frame allowing shorter fingers to reach it. SRTs change how the fire control mechanism resets after the trigger is released after a shot.

As for different kits, there are only three types of SRT kits out there. P226, P220, and P239. The SRT kit itself(Sear & Safety Lever) is identical between the 3, only difference is 2 of the kits include an additional part that some models may or may not need to function properly. The P220 kit for example comes with a modern spec decocker lever, because some of the old old decocker levers do not always function properly with the new sear. Same goes with the E2 kits, older versions of those levers do not fit with the new grip so it's included just in case.

[Paltik]

I have no idea what a trigger activating device is.

I remember seeing a pair of Ruger 10/22's mounted side-by-side on a swivel with a pistol grip and a cam going across their triggers; the cam was attached to a hand crank. One could point the guns with the left hand while cranking with the right, and each revolution of the crank fired each 10/22 3-4 times. Very gatling-esque.

[dem0critus]

Yeah, that's exactly how I found that section of code. Which is strange that that is what makes slide fires illegal because it doesn't actually increase the firing rate. Oh okay, I didn't know that you could buy the SIG with it installed from factory because I checked the CA DOJ roster of handguns there were no models that had the SRT installed straight from the factory.

Ya, i have the p229 Enhanced Elite (as mentioned above) which came with the str in thur. And yeah, the stock trigger is called a "short trigger" NOT a "short reset trigger". Two very different things. The reset on the SRT is actually a lot better IMO than the regular one. I love this feature.

[dem0critus]

The 1911 is the original short reset trigger, try a full on STI Open gun sometime. Less than 2 lb pull weight at about .020" travel.

Ya, I'd love to get my hands on one of these to try one! Never have seen one other than in pics tho.