roster clarification

[ulmapache]

Newbie here, haven't found the answer to this situation: I know the roster applys to new handguns, and intrastate private party transfers of used handguns are exempt, does it apply to USED handguns purchased thru out of state ffl dealers or out of state private partys? And of course I take possession thru my local ffl dealer here in Calif. I want to upgrade my carry piece to a CZ 83 cal .380 in satin nickel finish(not on roster, blued version is). So, if I find a USED Cz at an out of state dealer/private party, can I legally buy it, and have it sent to my Calif ffl dealer so I can take possession? Thx, and as far as the roster is concerned, the Calif DOJ is now....the Dept of Jackassery

[keenkeen]

Newbie here, haven't found the answer to this situation: I know the roster applys to new handguns, and intrastate private party transfers of used handguns are exempt, does it apply to USED handguns purchased thru out of state ffl dealers or out of state private partys? And of course I take possession thru my local ffl dealer here in Calif. I want to upgrade my carry piece to a CZ 83 cal .380 in satin nickel finish(not on roster, blued version is). So, if I find a USED Cz at an out of state dealer/private party, can I legally buy it, and have it sent to my Calif ffl dealer so I can take possession? Thx, and as far as the roster is concerned, the Calif DOJ is now....the Dept of Jackassery

No such thing as "as out of state PPT"...

[ulmapache]

Sure there is...out of state pp takes handgun to local ffl dealer, dealer ships to my ffl dealer for paperwork, waiting period dros etc. Else, no one could sell any firearms to anyone.

[keenkeen]

Sure there is...out of state pp takes handgun to local ffl dealer, dealer ships to my ffl dealer for paperwork, waiting period dros etc. Else, no one could sell any firearms to anyone.

That is not a PPT according to the CA DOJ...PPT is between 2 CA residents in person only.

[Eddy's Shooting Sports]

The answer to your question is no. The roster applies unless you are doing a face to face ppt from another CA resident.

[ap3572001]

My understanding is that if a handgun is ALREADY in CA , a person in the possession of that handgun can walk into a local gun store and PPT it to another Ca resident who can own firearms.

Am I correct?

[keenkeen]

My understanding is that if a handgun is ALREADY in CA , a person in the possession of that handgun can walk into a local gun store and PPT it to another Ca resident who can own firearms.

Am I correct?

No...that person would need to be a CA resident for a PPT. If it is on roster it can be done but it is still not a PPT.

[Munk]

PPT (Private Party Transfer) is a specifically defined term in CA that is a Face-To-Face transaction between two CA residents. This transfer is capped fee-wise at a maximum of $35. This type of transfer is roster exempt.

Other transfers, even between private individuals, are just transfers. This includes CA residents who are not Face to face, and out of state transfers. The fees for this have no cap on them, and are often $75 and beyond. The roster applies to these transactions.

If you wish to have a non-rostered handgun transferred to you from out of state, or otherwise shipped in, it needs to be in a roster-exempt configuration.

[ulmapache]

Ok, thanks for the clarification....so USED handguns must also be submitted for "examination and testing" what a bunch of BS! This just reinforces my desire to get the he** outta here!! The move out of state project is already underway, prompted by AB32 (I'm in the trucking industry), should be complete in another 6 months or so... Me, my money, my jobs, all are getting the he** out of Calif. The roster has nothing to do with safety, and everything to do with restricting our rights. Just because a handgun has a different finish on it that one submitted for "testing" does not make it unsafe...except in Calif. I stand by my description of the Calif DOJ...Dept of Jackassery

[ap3572001]

No...that person would need to be a CA resident for a PPT. If it is on roster it can be done but it is still not a PPT.

Ok . Very confused......

Just want to understand this.

If ANY handgun that is legal to OWN in Ca (not wanted/stolen etc) is ALREADY in Ca , ANY Ca resident can ppt it to any other Ca resident.

Am I correct?

[Ubermcoupe]

Ok . Very confused......

Just want to understand this.

If ANY handgun that is legal to OWN in Ca (not wanted/stolen etc) is ALREADY in Ca , ANY Ca resident can ppt it to any other Ca resident.

Am I correct?

[ap3572001]

Yes. a PPT (as recognized by the CADOJ) can only be conducted between CA residents (with valid CA DL/ID)

If Joe came here from RI and wanted to transfer me his an ON list pistol, we could walk into “AAA-FFL” and the dealer would complete that transfer as if the gun had been shipped in from out of state (read: no limit on the "dealer fee” to complete the sale)
If it was OFF list than the pistol would need to be in an exempt form OR the buyer would need to be an exempted person.

Ok.

If Joe came here from RI and left a coule of His pistols (OFF LIST) at His sisters house and got deployed.


HIS sister who is a CA resident and who can own handguns can PPT one of them to another CA resident who can own handguns. (If Joe emails Her permission to do so).

Am I correct?

[littlejake]

I think I see one area missed in the thread. Consignment sales. A handgun put on consignment sale at a dealer in in essence a PPT and is roster exempt.

If, for example, I owned a Ruger LCP, I could put it on consignment and it would be snapped up. Of course that would be a foolish way to sell it as the LGS gets a heavy commission. The smart way is: I find a buyer and we walk in and do a PPT.

[blockfort]

Ok.

If Joe came here from RI and left a coule of His pistols (OFF LIST) at His sisters house and got deployed.


HIS sister who is a CA resident and who can own handguns can PPT one of them to another CA resident who can own handguns. (If Joe emails Her permission to do so).

Am I correct?

Pretty sure they would have to be registered to her in order for her to sell or PPT them.

[keenkeen]

I think I see one area missed in the thread. Consignment sales. A handgun put on consignment sale at a dealer in in essence a PPT and is roster exempt.

If, for example, I owned a Ruger LCP, I could put it on consignment and it would be snapped up. Of course that would be a foolish way to sell it as the LGS gets a heavy commission. The smart way is: I find a buyer and we walk in and do a PPT.

Not missed...the consignment you describe is just a version of a PPT. Two CA residents with ID both at the same FFL. It's a PPT facilitated by the FFL.