California approved trigger lock?

[Dvrjon]

None of you have a gun safe? First gun I understand, but after that, you should start thinking about a safe of some sort. Then just fill out the affidavit and be on your way.

Once again, it's a FEDERAL issue, not state. Read the bottom of this portion of the Wiki: http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/in...es.2C_and_Laws

The Feds don't recognize the CA Safe Affadavit.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has yet to issue a regulation which recognizes 18 USC 921(a)(34)(C).

In practice, that means that California and Federal law are different on what is acceptable -- and safe for dealers to accept. For long guns, California FFLs may accept the safe affidavit; but for handguns, because BATFE has not yet ruled, the safe affidavit is NOT acceptable, and buyers may expect to purchase a gun lock with each handgun.

Anecdotal evidence at Calguns suggests that BATFE is in fact specifically refusing to accept the California safe affidavit. See this Calguns post for a reproduction of the letter BATF has sent.

BATFE enforcement of this appears problematical; there seems to be no record keeping requirement to establish the lock presence on delivery in Federal paperwork.

and, http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...9&postcount=59

The form used by the State of California Department of Justice with the standards set forth by section 977.50 of the California Code of Regulations may comply with California laws but does not comply with the laws and regulations set forth by ATF. This form is not an ATF form and is not an acceptable form in lieu of presenting a secure gun storage or safety device at the time of each firearm sales transaction.

[broadside]

But 18 USC 921(a)(34)(C) has NO REQUIREMENT for safety certification or a list of approved locks/safes. They only require that the devices renders it inoperable or is a lock box/safe/case secured by key/combo/etc.. It also has no 30 day time requirement, purchase verification, etc. It just has to be present.

So for CA, sign the affidavit and then pick up the hand gun and put it in the same locked case that is required for transport, which covers the CA transport requirement and 18 USC 921(a)(34)(C)

[Carcassonne]

Hi all,

My first real post here so be nice!

I am in the process of buying my first hand gun and I'm wondering about something. I asked the salesman for a total on one and he included what he called a "California approved trigger lock". The gun comes with one but according to him it's not California approved. So I checked out what penal codes I could find 25610, and 25505. Then I came here and found this page which was very cool by the way! But nowhere can I find anything about a California approved trigger lock and why I need one to buy a handgun. Is the salesman pulling my chain or is it a law that one must have a "special" type of trigger lock, or any for that matter as long as it's in a locked container when buying a hand gun?

Thanks for you help!

Trigger locks are no longer recommended for use on any gun. You shouldn't be able to find one at any retail store. They are considered unsafe.

All new rifles, shotguns, and handguns come with a California approved cable lock. There is no reason for you to buy another one.



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[Librarian]

But 18 USC 921(a)(34)(C) has NO REQUIREMENT for safety certification or a list of approved locks/safes. They only require that the devices renders it inoperable or is a lock box/safe/case secured by key/combo/etc.. It also has no 30 day time requirement, purchase verification, etc. It just has to be present.

So for CA, sign the affidavit and then pick up the hand gun and put it in the same locked case that is required for transport, which covers the CA transport requirement and 18 USC 921(a)(34)(C)

You have to account for how BATF auditors will look at that. A safe also satisfies 18 USC 921(a)(34)(C) and BATF gives no way to document that for a purchase.

[Califpatriot]

Trigger locks are no longer recommended for use on any gun. You shouldn't be able to find one at any retail store. They are considered unsafe.

Tell San Francisco that. Either you have a trigger lock or CADOJ-approved locked container.

[broadside]

You have to account for how BATF auditors will look at that. A safe also satisfies 18 USC 921(a)(34)(C) and BATF gives no way to document that for a purchase.

That is so stupid. They should have to prove that requirement was not met instead of requiring FFLs provide that it was, or change the regulation to indicate ways record secure storage was met.

[auffie.hk]

Trigger locks are no longer recommended for use on any gun. You shouldn't be able to find one at any retail store. They are considered unsafe.

Could you please elaborate on this: "they are considered unsafe." I know that most of these trigger locks are relatively easy to defeat by an experienced person (with varying degrees of difficulty), but if their main purpose is to add an additional barrier for children (we keep our guns in safes, right?), in what ways are they considered unsafe? I still see these being offered for sale online - Amazon, Basspro, etc. Thanks.

[Librarian]

Could you please elaborate on this: "they are considered unsafe." I know that most of these trigger locks are relatively easy to defeat by an experienced person (with varying degrees of difficulty), but if their main purpose is to add an additional barrier for children (we keep our guns in safes, right?), in what ways are they considered unsafe? I still see these being offered for sale online - Amazon, Basspro, etc. Thanks.

The California Legislature, in its infinite (lack of) wisdom, has decided that only safety devices submitted to the DOJ for listing may be called "safe". Has nothing to do with efficacy in application, only gaining 'government approval'.

[ugimports]

Some trigger locks are still ok:

https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/roster/approved-safety-devices/search-results?field_safety_device_model_value=&make=Pro-Lok

[Dvrjon]

Trigger locks are no longer recommended for use on any gun. You shouldn't be able to find one at any retail store. They are considered unsafe.

Could you please elaborate on this: "they are considered unsafe." I know that most of these trigger locks are relatively easy to defeat by an experienced person (with varying degrees of difficulty), but if their main purpose is to add an additional barrier for children (we keep our guns in safes, right?), in what ways are they considered unsafe? I still see these being offered for sale online - Amazon, Basspro, etc. Thanks.

The Aroner-Scott-Hayden Firearms Safety Act of 1999,
http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...5.&lawCode=PEN, contains the following finding:

23625. The Legislature makes the following findings: (i) Some currently available trigger locks and other similar devices are inadequate to prevent the accidental discharge of the firearms to which they are attached, or to prevent children from gaining access to the firearm.

That led to the DOJ Roster of Firearm Safety Devices Certified for Sale cited by Librarian and UGI:

Some trigger locks are still ok:
https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/roster/a...=&make=Pro-Lok

[auffie.hk]

The Aroner-Scott-Hayden Firearms Safety Act of 1999,
http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...5.&lawCode=PEN, contains the following finding: That led to the DOJ Roster of Firearm Safety Devices Certified for Sale cited by Librarian and UGI:

Thank you! That was informative.

I guess most of us know that the DOJ roster of safety devices is a joke, regardless. As UGI pointed out, there are still devices categorized as "trigger locks" on that roster, but after a couple of searches I concluded that most of these are either worthless, no longer marketed, or way too expensive. For minimal DOJ compliance one is probably best served with cable locks.

[redteam22003]

big scam for the store to make an extra $10 from you

[Beachblaster]

The small additional cost of an approved gun lock doesn't bother me in the slightest. Years ago I decided to become a gun lock collector. I have a big box of them out in my garage and when I am in a nostalgic mood I open it up and enjoy thinking about past purchases.