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  • 2nd Shot
    Member
    • Apr 2011
    • 384

    Desert Eagle Headaches...

    As I've mentioned before, I had a brand new SSE brushed chrome Desert Eagle done up awhile ago via Ryan at Tablerock Arms - Stand up guy, great business, and a flawless transaction, by the way - this has nothing to do with him.

    I got the gun and fired an initial 60 rounds, and found that the gun would constantly fail to feed the last round. I suspected the magazines, but continued to have the problem despite changing springs, and buying a completely brand new magazine. I finally noticed that the trigger spring that holds the slide catch had 1 leg out of the groove and that the catch had moved over enough where it could possibly be having the problem, though the gun still seemed to jam trying to feed the last round. So I decided not to tinker with a gun under warranty and sent it in. It cost ~150 bucks to ship it in its case via the local Fed Ex...

    The gun returned, no parts were changed, though it looks like they ground on the extractor and ejector pin. Out to the desert I went. What do you know, the gun would eat anything I could stuff in the mag, including the 325 grain Speer ammo it used to dislike, and my 335 grain reloads that have sort of a pointy bullet that didn't used to feed well. Great! The problem was that the gun no longer flipped cases out over my right shoulder into a tidy pile... Some would go right, some would go left (WTF?), and the rest would fly over my head or hit me squarely in the face. I'll take a reliability over consistent ejection, but still unacceptable.

    So I figured they went too far grinding on stuff (n00bs!), and I'll have to handle this myself. So I ordered a couple new ejectors and an extractor, and figured I'd polish the end of the eject pin and extractor until slick and shiny without grinding off significant material or changing the geometry to start, and go from there. Well, what do you know - the factory eject pins DO NOT FIT in the bolt! The bore is too tight or the pins are about 5 tenths too large since you can twist them in halfway but it's bound tightly in place.

    So as you can probably imagine, I'm pretty pissed. At this point, I want a new bolt assembly that's properly in spec, not "deburred" by somebody in highschool, and an eject pin an an extractor that don't look like they've been taken to a bench grinder. If that's gunsmithing, I have a better way. The problem is that I don't want to spend another 10% of what the gun is (was) worth to mail it to them to do all over again. Do you think they'll send out a new bolt and some ejector pins? What are my options here?
  • #2
    chad68
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2009
    • 652

    $150 to ship it? Did I read that right? Was it shipped next day air and insured for 20 G's?

    Why so much to ship it?

    I was thinking of getting one of these someday but for the as much as they cost, they seem to have a lot of issues, that a gun in production as long as it has been, shouldn't have.
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    • #3
      Atlantaboi2012
      Banned
      • Aug 2011
      • 581

      You cant shoot those guns straight out the box. You have to take it home and clean and lube them for max performance. Also try and get some Promag magazines. They feed better than the stock mags and are cheaper...Also, with DE's you have to rack the hell out of that gun after inserting a fresh mag. Unlike Glocks and most handguns, you have to really man handle the DE like a Pitbull and show it whose boss. May come off obsurd, but I havent had any issues with mine since.

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      • #4
        JeremyS
        Senior Member
        • Jul 2010
        • 2014

        I've seen many posts from DE owners suffering from brass that hits them in the face, and they were all due to excessive wrist movement. I'd call it limp wristing but, with a .50 AE, that's not really fair. It's a hard gun for most people to control completely, and the muzzle flip leads to brass in the face, apparently, pretty often.
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        • #5
          joefrank64k
          @ the Dark End of the Bar
          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
          • Mar 2009
          • 10124

          Originally posted by Atlantaboi2012
          You cant shoot those guns straight out the box. You have to take it home and clean and lube them for max performance. Also try and get some Promag magazines. They feed better than the stock mags and are cheaper...Also, with DE's you have to rack the hell out of that gun after inserting a fresh mag. Unlike Glocks and most handguns, you have to really man handle the DE like a Pitbull and show it whose boss. May come off obsurd, but I havent had any issues with mine since.
          Originally posted by JeremyS
          I've seen many posts from DE owners suffering from brass that hits them in the face, and they were all due to excessive wrist movement. I'd call it limp wristing but, with a .50 AE, that's not really fair. It's a hard gun for most people to control completely, and the muzzle flip leads to brass in the face, apparently, pretty often.
          Atlantaboi and JeremyS are right on the money...Magnum Research even includes a literature insert specifically saying that the DE is a TWO-HANDED pistol.

          Gotta shoot it like you mean it!
          You will never, in your life, have a chance like this again.
          If I were you, I would not pass this up. I would not let this go by...this is rare.
          Come on...what harm??

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          • #6
            2nd Shot
            Member
            • Apr 2011
            • 384

            Ok, so I talked to MRI today on the phone and they agreed to send me a shipping label to send the gun back again. That wasn't a typo - it cost approximately 150 bucks to Fed Ex overnight the pistol in its case (scale said 10 lb package) to Pillager MN from SoCal. Ugh.

            The pistol had a perfect ejection pattern when I first got it, flipping cases gently over the right shoulder into a tidy pile. In fact, I wish all of my pistols ejected so nicely. It's just that it exhibited random failure to feed, and a very consistent failure to feed on the last round specifically. I sent in, and when it came back, they had ground and polished on the extractor claw and the eject pin (Think AR-15, the parts are pretty similar). To their credit, the pistol will now feed and fire anything I could stuff into the magazine. The problem is that ejection, once perfect, is now extremely erratic. About 1/3 go right, 1/3 zings out to the left (???) and the rest go overhead, or straight to the face!

            Like most pistols, I hold the Desert Eagle with an iron vise grip - wrists and elbows locked. The muzzle barely rises a couple inches, even with the heaviest bullets and maximum loads. I'm also 6'3" and ~275 lbs so I have plenty of mass and hand strength to properly back up the gun. Besides, it ejected beautifully before.

            I'm going to give MRI another shot to get it dialed in. I had intended to replace the extractor and ejector with fresh stock parts, and then carefully dial it in myself, though it looks like the pins will not fit into the hole in the bolt. I took the bolt and pin to work and was going to indicate it in and ream it for ~.0005" clearance myself but will instead send it back first and see what they can do.

            Sigh. Can't let the machine beat me, after all.

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            • #7
              joefrank64k
              @ the Dark End of the Bar
              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
              • Mar 2009
              • 10124

              Sounds like you've got the cause narrowed down and it definitely sounds like it isn't the shooter!

              Good luck getting it dialed-in! At least MRI/Kahr is paying for the shipping this time....they should've paid the first time IMHO!
              You will never, in your life, have a chance like this again.
              If I were you, I would not pass this up. I would not let this go by...this is rare.
              Come on...what harm??

              joefrank64k 251/251 100% iTrader?

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              • #8
                Scuba Steve33
                Banned
                • Jan 2012
                • 2339

                Originally posted by JeremyS
                I've seen many posts from DE owners suffering from brass that hits them in the face, and they were all due to excessive wrist movement. I'd call it limp wristing but, with a .50 AE, that's not really fair. It's a hard gun for most people to control completely, and the muzzle flip leads to brass in the face, apparently, pretty often.
                That's great except it has nothing to do with the OP because, if you read the entire post, it was ejecting perfectly fine in a constant pattern before he sent it in.

                I agree with Joe, sounds like you figured it out. Pain in the *** but it can always be worse.

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                • #9
                  10mm
                  Senior Member
                  • Feb 2011
                  • 1113

                  I've shot the D.E. in 44mag before. What a beast of a weapon. I have a desire to own 1 one day. I did have a bunch stove pipe jams, fte, ftf. The reliability factor turned me off for the moment. I think I'll go with a revolver instead. Good luck getting it repaired right. :thumbup:
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                  • #10
                    Nodaedul
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2009
                    • 581

                    The reliability factor is only a problem in revolver caliber DE's since autos are designed for a specific power level and revolvers can use widely varying power level rounds in the same gun.

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                    • #11
                      JeremyS
                      Senior Member
                      • Jul 2010
                      • 2014

                      The reliability factor is only a problem in revolver caliber DE's since autos are designed for a specific power level and revolvers can use widely varying power level rounds in the same gun.
                      True. It's also due in a big way to rimmed cartridges not working well in a semi-auto. They aren't designed to be grabbed and fed and ejected in this manner and they bind in magazines and on feed ramps much more easily. A lot of the bullets aren't shaped for working well with feed ramps. A Glock 20, for example, will cycle low power (~.40 S&W power around 400 ft-lbs) 10mm loads all the way up to full power 850 ft-lb 10mm loads, so reliability with a range of power levels is certainly possible. The DE, however, may need very specific power .44 mag to function, but using rimmed cartridges also hurts potential reliability in a big way right off the bat.



                      Originally posted by Scuba Steve33
                      That's great except it has nothing to do with the OP because, if you read the entire post, it was ejecting perfectly fine in a constant pattern before he sent it in.
                      Yeah I just didn't believe him . Obviously I read that part of the post, as it was the part I responded to haha. He only shot 60 rounds and, as I mentioned, there are dozens of threads about broken DE's ejecting shells into peoples' faces and they ALL swear that they have full control of it but then they pay attention and find out that, in fact, it was them. However, the OP's later post made it very clear that this isn't the situation here.
                      Last edited by JeremyS; 06-20-2012, 6:14 PM.
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                      • #12
                        Atlantaboi2012
                        Banned
                        • Aug 2011
                        • 581

                        Youd think someone would design a 44 auto cartridge but I guess that design would mean a shorter round, which would be useless in the gun. As I expressed in other threads, the DE is a novelty gun you shoot eeeeevery now and then. Its for guys and gals who have nothing else to do with their money and have every gun they reaally wanted already. Before I bought the DE, I literally could not think of my next purchase until I saw the movie Snatch. I own 10 all black rifles and guns so buying the DE was just another notch on my post because I have all the coolest and most sought after guns already. Taking it out the box and just looking at it is sometimes all the gratification one needs before putting it away and then grabbing another gun to take out the range. Ever heard of someone putting 1000 rds through a DE? Me neither. Ive had mine for 4 mos and it only has 50 rds through it
                        Last edited by Atlantaboi2012; 06-28-2012, 10:03 PM.

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                        • #13
                          bubbapug1
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 7958

                          The DE is not a novelty gun, its a match target pistol. Its easier to shoot recoil wise than a similar caliber revolver. Its got a nice two stage trigger and if you use AA #9 instead of H110 in your loads its about the same as a 38 special.

                          The 357 version has a kick similar to a 1911 9mm, its an awesome gun.
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                          • #14
                            23's Dad
                            Senior Member
                            • Jun 2010
                            • 502

                            Wow! That's gotta be one tough match!!!!

                            Gregg,

                            I consider a S&W Model 41 a "match target" pistol.

                            With your handloads are you getting reliable feeding and extraction?

                            My DE only has a couple of hundred rounds thru it, and experiences an FTF pretty often on the last round. I've always blamed it on my .41 mags, but really don't spend much effort on tracking which mags fail. Since my DE is a "fun gun", I don't really care if it has an occasional issue. If I need reliability, I've got several choices that are 100% trustworthy (and weigh less too!)

                            I've got several .41 mags, but only a couple of the .44 mags. I spent some time on the feed lips on a couple of the .41 mags and got some better reliability.

                            Shooting next month with SMGC?
                            Brad
                            Last edited by 23's Dad; 07-02-2012, 9:31 AM. Reason: trimmed post

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                            • #15
                              Atlantaboi2012
                              Banned
                              • Aug 2011
                              • 581

                              Originally posted by bubbapug1
                              The DE is not a novelty gun, its a match target pistol. Its easier to shoot recoil wise than a similar caliber revolver. Its got a nice two stage trigger and if you use AA #9 instead of H110 in your loads its about the same as a 38 special.

                              The 357 version has a kick similar to a 1911 9mm, its an awesome gun.
                              A match TARGET pistol? In what action movie? When I laid down $1500 on that gun, it wasnt for making 2 inch groups at 20 yards. Its a novelty gun for MANY people who have $2000 to just spend on a gun they knew AHEAD of time they WERENT going to shoot that often, but to show off to friends and let others shoot for s**ts and giggles. Thats because we ALREADY have 10 or more guns for the sole purpose of target shooting already. When was the last time you saw someone at the range carefully aiming a DE for target practice? When was the last time have you seen a DE at the range period? THANK YOU BRAD..this dude obviously doesn't know what he's talking about. Besides, who the heck bothers shooting a freakin .357 DE anymore? Correcton: COlt 1911 is a MATCH PISTOL not a 50 lb Desert Eagle that spits out a fireball the size of a human
                              Last edited by Atlantaboi2012; 06-29-2012, 10:26 PM.

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