Ruger "Charger"..CA available?

[Phugedaboudet]

Just saw the new Ruger Charger pistol. uses the same action as the 10/22, same aftermarket triggers, same magazines, stocks and barrels. Looks like it would be a fun plinker, and the reviews are rather favorable.

Should come in for under $350 unless CA dealers get greedy. But will we be able to get it here? It has a magazine outside the grip but it's 22LR rimfire, so maybe it gets under the wire?

If so, my tax return's gonna get me one of these. Since I can't get the M410 revolver I wanted

[aplinker]

Won't be on the safe list as it doesn't have a mag disco or loaded chamber indicator.

[AJAX22]

And unless you can get it exempted as an olympic target pistol or pin the mag in place it will be considered an assult weapon.

[CalNRA]

Should come in for under $350 unless CA dealers get greedy. But will we be able to get it here? It has a magazine outside the grip but it's 22LR rimfire, so maybe it gets under the wire?

xPISTOLS:



A semiautomatic pistol capable of accepting detachable magazines and any of the following:

▪ a threaded barrel;

▪ a second handgrip;

▪ capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside the pistol grip;


▪ a shroud attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel allowing
bearer to fire weapon without burning his/her hand, except for a slide enclosing
the barrel;



A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine having capacity to accept over 10 rounds.

[Fjold]

And unless you can get it exempted as an olympic target pistol or pin the mag in place it will be considered an assult weapon.

The only way for this to happen is if the US Shooting Association rules it eligible for olympic competition and the International Olympic Federation then rules it eligible.

This is not a realistic possibility. As a matter of fact there is no possibility of this happening, ever.

[dfletcher]

What is the minimum OAL for a rimfire rifle in CA? I know worst case scenario it's 30" - that's the minimum for semi auto center fire - so is there any reason those who want a 10/22 "pistol" couldn't use this? If the OAL doesn't make 30" as is, I'd say it's at least 26" and some sort of imaginative work around can be had.

http://www.hornetproducts.com/bin/category.asp?category=33

Since it's built on a rifle receiver and has a greater than 16" bbl I'd presume this is by law nothing more than a rimfire semi auto rifle. Put a handgun scope on it & you're all set.

[AJAX22]

Rifles in CA have to be shoulder fired weapons.

Even if this gun is 26 inches Overall, and has a 16 inch barrel, it will not be a rifle, it will be a non-rifle Title 1 firearm (like a 1919A4 or a mosberg cruiser)

[jfred90]

Anyone else find it odd that PC 12276.1 explicitly states "centerfire" for rifles but not for pistols?

Perhaps this was an oversight by lawmakers? Or do you think this was intentional?

(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
....
(4) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:

That being said, I would buy one of these "Chargers" in a minute if I could.

[dfletcher]

Anyone else find it odd that PC 12276.1 explicitly states "centerfire" for rifles but not for pistols?

Perhaps this was an oversight by lawmakers? Or do you think this was intentional?




That being said, I would buy one of these "Chargers" in a minute if I could.

Just a guess, but I'd say it was intentional. I think their theory would be that the concealability of a handgun makes even a rimfire of that configuration worth strict regulation. Again, just a guess.

Regarding the non - rifle Title one status, does that mean the 10.22 in that configuration can not be brought into CA?

[Stormfeather]

And unless you can get it exempted as an olympic target pistol or pin the mag in place it will be considered an assult weapon.

I think this could be possible, as they have the ruger 10/22 olympic rifle already, this utilizes the same barracuda style stock and has a target barrel, so definitely a possibility. Not sure of the exact process, maybe someone else can chime in here if they are in the know.

[dfletcher]

Just a bump.

Can a Ruger 10/22 assembled as the Hornet is (handgun stock, rifle receiver & greater than 16" bbl, see link above) be legally used in CA even though, being not shoulder fired, it is technically not a rifle?

[Blacky]

Due to state regulations, the 22 Charger Pistol is not available for sale in CA, CT, HI, MD, MA, NY, OH (city of Toledo only) and IL (city of Aurora only).

Too bad... it looks like a freakin blast to shoot.

[dfletcher]

Due to state regulations, the 22 Charger Pistol is not available for sale in CA, CT, HI, MD, MA, NY, OH (city of Toledo only) and IL (city of Aurora only).

Too bad... it looks like a freakin blast to shoot.

I wasn't asking about the Charger, but the similar item from Hornet.

http://www.hornetproducts.com/bin/category.asp?category=33

It's a 10/22 RIFLE receiver in a Charger type handgun stock with a greater than 16" bbl. So it's not a handgun, it's not an SBR - but it evidently isn't a rifle (like the Browning M@ or 1919) because it isn't shoulder fired. I don't know if not being a rifle means the gun can be owned in CA, or if it can not.

Since the Charger seems to be a hot ticket, I was hoping to get a definite yes or no on whether the same thing essentially - a rifle receiver with a longer barrel - is legal in CA.

[Blacky]

Actually my post wasn't a direct response to your post but now that I looked at it, the Hornet Custom looks pretty sweet too. I didn't see anything about it being CA. exempt on their site either. Probably have to contact them or Arnold or the Pope.

[Otony]

So, what if you were to alter the magazine release on a Charger so that it could not be manipulated without a tool. Like say, for instance, you fitted a small set screw that locked the magazine release, one that used an allen wrench.

Into the magazine well you would lock a 10/22 magazine that was filled with epoxy, so that it could not hold any rounds whatsoever.

You now have a single shot pistol that can only be loaded through the ejection port, not through the magazine. The "dummy" magazine can only be removed using a tool (i.e., not readily removable).

At this point, have you not built a Charger that conforms to the same set of rules that folks are using to build/import AR-15 pistols? And having once done so and DROSed it as a single shot, are you not then free to alter it once again into a semi-automatic habdgun?

Sure seems so to me, especially if one were to find an FFL willing to do the proper mods (or install parts properly modded), then ship it to an amiable FFL here.

Or am I missing something?