320 Owners - What Solution?

[Elysium]

P320 owners, what level of compensation or expectation of solution are you expecting from Sig Sauer?

[sirgrumps]

P320 owners, what level of compensation or expectation of solution are you expecting from Sig Sauer?

I suspect nothing will happen until the Army/Air Force determines that the pistol is 'unsafe' and needs a retrofit/repair,
then SIG will prioritize the Pentagon's 1st, the State police, local police and sheriffs next, and then DEAD last, the civilian customers.

I'm actually hoping Trump get wind of this and then defunds the program until the pistols get replaced or retrofitted.
That will cause massive movement.

Either way, civilian owners will be "retrofitted" last.

[aca72]

$1.98 after the class action lawsuit.

[Scotty]

There's a reason why Sig is pushing hard on release of the report from the air force AND the revised FBI report. I suspect nothing wrong has been found with the gun and they already know that so it would be a big boost for their PR.

I'm curious why the YouTubers haven't gotten a gun and the mishap holster and they to get the gun to go off?

[tacticalcity]

There's a reason why Sig is pushing hard on release of the report from the air force AND the revised FBI report. I suspect nothing wrong has been found with the gun and they already know that so it would be a big boost for their PR.

I'm curious why the YouTubers haven't gotten a gun and the mishap holster and they to get the gun to go off?

I thought the same. We were wrong. While visiting my local gun store yesterday they demonstrated the problem right in front of me. With only the slightest pressure on the trigger and just a little more side pressure on the slide (which can happen while carrying in a holster...even most kydex holsters) the firing pin will release internally without the trigger being depressed thus firing a round. The pressure on the trigger needs to be just barely there. As in barely resting against it and not pressing in at all. The pressure/movement on the slide needed to be a bit more in this demonstration but I assume that was just Murphy's Law since people were watching. But that pressure and movement on the slide was consistent with what a gun in a holster or a gun during a draw could experience. Both on the trigger and the slide. Regardless, this problem is very, very real.

Don't be stubborn. Not with your and other's safety. Retire this sucker. If you are lucky enough to have a gun vault with a display wall, then it is wall art. With any luck Sig will come up with a fix and warranty it. They are bending over backwards not to. But they really, really need to issue a recall. This is destroying their reputation. A lot of people are avoiding Sig entirely as a result of how poorly they are handling this. And that sentiment is only growing. There is only one firearm with a known issue. But that gun isn't the problem. Sigs response to that one gun's problem is. They've abused their customer's trust in them. I saw that as a relative Sig fan. They were on my top 4 or 5 list of manufacturers until now.

[Scotty]

I thought the same. We were wrong. While visiting my local gun store yesterday they demonstrated the problem right in front of me. With only the slightest pressure on the trigger and just a little more side pressure on the slide (which can happen while carrying in a holster...even most kydex holsters) the firing pin will release internally without the trigger being depressed thus firing a round. The pressure on the trigger needs to be just barely there. As in barely resting against it and not pressing in at all. The pressure/movement on the slide needed to be a bit more in this demonstration but I assume that was just Murphy's Law since people were watching. But that pressure and movement on the slide was consistent with what a gun in a holster or a gun during a draw could experience. Both on the trigger and the slide. Regardless, this problem is very, very real.

For this to occur, you need to move the trigger past the take up (which disables the striker safety), then partially into the creep phase (where the sear is only partially holding the striker), then wiggling the slide will cause the gun to fire.

There's now a YouTuber that has done the same test with other guns including a Glock and guess what, it fired.

Now the way to prevent this is to make sure your holster does not contact the trigger in any way including twisting the gun in the holster.

What's the fix for this, crappy long heavy triggers or external safety that blocks the sear.

[tacticalcity]

For this to occur, you need to move the trigger past the take up (which disables the striker safety), then partially into the creep phase (where the sear is only partially holding the striker), then wiggling the slide will cause the gun to fire.

There's now a YouTuber that has done the same test with other guns including a Glock and guess what, it fired.

Now the way to prevent this is to make sure your holster does not contact the trigger in any way including twisting the gun in the holster.

What's the fix for this, crappy long heavy triggers or external safety that blocks the sear.

No, sadly you do not need to depress the trigger at all. Merely rest against it. In the demonstration the guy simply rested his finger on the trigger. He did not press in. No take up whatsoever. Which is what I found most surprising. I was less than a foot away. Him on one side of the counter me on the other. He turned the gun at an angle where I could clearly see he was not depressing the trigger, and he also made a point of telling me and everyone else he was not depressing the trigger which is why I made note of that fact. I had a very clear view of what was happening. So am I not mistaken about this. I wish you were correct. But sadly not.

Bear in mind, this information does the gun store a disservice. They do not want this problem to be real because it means they are stuck with very expensive inventory they cannot sell and cannot return. There is nothing in it for them to point this out other than goodwill. I know gun store staff gets a bad rap. But these guys are all former service members who carried for living. Some are off duty police officers, etc. Not your typical know nothing type. Which is why I choose to shop their rather than at their competitors. They are good guys. Their choosing their customer's safety over profit is just one more reason to like them.

I wish it was not real too. Like I said, I was a Sig fan. I don't want to believe they would purposefully ignore a problem this bad and this obvious.

As for what's the solution, no other striker fired gun does this. If those companies were able to avoid this problem, Sig should be able to figure it out too. While some trigger fired guns triggers are better than others, it is more than doable to get a good and safe trigger at the same time. Especially since the P320s trigger isn't that great to begin with, even if it weren't unsafe.

[deckhandmike]

Would a blade safety trigger like on a Glock fix this?

[Elysium]

I demand a P211-GTO as replacement for my P320 since themagazines are interchangeable.

[tacticalcity]

I know safety is no laughing matter and I am not laughing at anyone getting hurt much less killed. But this was worth sharing. Gotta suck to be a diehard Sig fanboy right now. Don't get me wrong, I have had great experiences with the Sigs I own. Especially my Sig 1911 TTT. But I am really glad none of them are the P320. If this were happening with my favorite gun company and my favorite gun, I would have a hard time accepting it as well. I would need concrete indisputable proof and even then, it would be hard for me to accept it. I also know Sig fanboys would not hesitate to give me grief for not accepting it.

[acaligunner]

For this to occur, you need to move the trigger past the take up (which disables the striker safety), then partially into the creep phase (where the sear is only partially holding the striker), then wiggling the slide will cause the gun to fire.

There's now a YouTuber that has done the same test with other guns including a Glock and guess what, it fired.

Now the way to prevent this is to make sure your holster does not contact the trigger in any way including twisting the gun in the holster.

What's the fix for this, crappy long heavy triggers or external safety that blocks the sear.

Glocks “ go off by themselves “ 🤨. That’s a new one ..
Been carrying a Glock since 1990 and the pistol has been in Milt Sparks / Kramer / and Kydex holsters with a round in the chamber and not a single Unintentional discharge, oh same thing with a Glock 19 and a Glock 26 all with a round in the chamber and no discharge unless I intentionally pulled the trigger back, took up the slack, hit the wall and then shot the pistol.

Also that video of the Glock is fertilizer.

If you like the sig cool, you do you - I know a Glock will discharge if the trigger is pulled all the way or if the holster / shirt gets caught up in the trigger guard and hits the trigger fully, but a GLOCK is not going to “ Go Off “ like a sig 320.

I believe Larry Vickers even had a loaded Glock dropped from a helo and it didn’t fire, and if I remember correctly he had a loaded Glock take birdshot from a shotgun and the Glock also didn’t fire. It’s all in LV’s YouTube channel .

Sig is no bueno !

[acaligunner]

Old and long video of LV testing a loaded Glock and a unchambered Glock ~ you take from it what you want.

https://youtu.be/Hks2G4Gwom0?si=kngHdizA0k_Ymagi

[tacticalcity]

Glocks “ go off by themselves “ 🤨. That’s a new one ..
Been carrying a Glock since 1990 and the pistol has been in Milt Sparks / Kramer / and Kydex holsters with a round in the chamber and not a single Unintentional discharge, oh same thing with a Glock 19 and a Glock 26 all with a round in the chamber and no discharge unless I intentionally pulled the trigger back, took up the slack, hit the wall and then shot the pistol.

Also that video of the Glock is fertilizer.

If you like the sig cool, you do you - I know a Glock will discharge if the trigger is pulled all the way or if the holster / shirt gets caught up in the trigger guard and hits the trigger fully, but a GLOCK is not going to “ Go Off “ like a sig 320.

I believe Larry Vickers even had a loaded Glock dropped from a helo and it didn’t fire, and if I remember correctly he had a loaded Glock take birdshot from a shotgun and the Glock also didn’t fire. It’s all in LV’s YouTube channel .

Sig is no bueno !

The video Sig defenders are referencing claims that you have to depress the trigger all the way to the breaking point for this to occur. Taking up all the slack. They then demonstrate that plethora of guns will do the same thing. I am not saying it will also occur with a Glock under those circumstances, but they do. The problem with this argument is that you do not need to depress the Sig P320 trigger at all for this to occur. It simply needs the slightest pressure applied to the trigger (as in something resting against it) and then side force applied to the slide at just the right moment and just the right angle. I witnessed this with my own eyes. Convincing the Sig defenders of this, however, proved fruitless. As someone will inevitably dispute this post in 3...2...1...

Given that fact, I have no trouble imagining a holster bending and placing pressure on both the trigger and slide during rigorous activity. Especially if it is a leather or nylon holster. I also have no trouble imagining this happening even with kydex holsters during a draw even without your finger ever making contact with the trigger depending on the style and shape of the holster. Especially those that have a shape with a detent where the trigger well is.

And again, for the record I did not believe this was even remotely possible before seeing it with my own eyes. I am the first one to blame the end user or ammo for any problem rather than the gun. Because 99.99999% of the time that is the case. Sadly, in the case of the Sig P320..it's not. The Sig P320 is the problem. A very big problem. it is very sad to see this happen at all. More sad to see Sig not step up and do the right thing and issue a recall.

[acaligunner]

The video Sig defenders are referencing claims that you have to depress the trigger all the way to the breaking point for this to occur. Taking up all the slack. They then demonstrate that plethora of guns will do the same thing. I am not saying it will also occur with a Glock under those circumstances, but they do. The problem with this argument is that you do not need to depress the Sig P320 trigger at all for this to occur. It simply needs the slightest pressure applied to the trigger (as in something resting against it) and then side force applied to the slide at just the right moment and just the right angle. I witnessed this with my own eyes. Convincing the Sig defenders of this, however, proved fruitless. As someone will inevitably dispute this post in 3...2...1...

Given that fact, I have no trouble imagining a holster bending and placing pressure on both the trigger and slide during rigorous activity. Especially if it is a leather or nylon holster. I also have no trouble imagining this happening even with kydex holsters during a draw even without your finger ever making contact with the trigger depending on the style and shape of the holster. Especially those that have a shape with a detent where the trigger well is.

And again, for the record I did not believe this was even remotely possible before seeing it with my own eyes. I am the first one to blame the end user or ammo for any problem rather than the gun. Because 99.99999% of the time that is the case. Sadly, in the case of the Sig P320..it's not. The Sig P320 is the problem. A very big problem. it is very sad to see this happen at all. More sad to see Sig not step up and do the right thing and issue a recall.

Yes, I’ve seen the sig videos and then the new Glock video, I also agree with you on several points.

There’s enough evidence for everyone to make up their own minds of what kind of pistol they are comfortable with; you want to carry a sig 320 go ahead- you trust sig ok cool, but to say there’s nothing to worry about - that’s a issue and a safety concern.

[Bakerloo]

As far as the 320 goes, "You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya, punk?"