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  • #16
    Corbin Dallas
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    • May 2006
    • 6271

    Its called condition 3. Full magazine inserted on a empty chamber.

    Wake, rack, roll.
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    • #17
      CSACANNONEER
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      • Dec 2006
      • 44094

      Each person needs to decide what is best for his/her situation. If you are one of those who is stupid enough not to follow proper fireams handling rules and are plannng to grab a firearm while in a reduced state of mind, I'd go further than no round in the chamber. I'd suggest pepper spray and leaving your firearms in a locked safe. If you trust your life to a mechanical safety, I guess you've already decided what your life is worth. If you believe that the ONLY safety that counts is an empty chamber/empty mag well with an open action, then you also believe that you ALWAYS treat EVERY firearm as if it is completely loaded and ready to fire. For me, the last option is the only one that a safe gun handler follows. Now, if a safe gun handler decides to keep his/her SD firearm in any condition, he or she will ALWAYS handle it safely and will know know what to do if it is ever needed. There is no universally correct answer for every shooter in every situation. But, for the OP to think that one needs to be a ninja to not rely on external safeties goes to show his lack of knowledge and experience on the subject. ALL mechanical safeties can and have failed! I would NEVER risk my life or the lives of my family by 100% trusting any mechanical safety.
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      • #18
        ZirconJohn
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        • Sep 2007
        • 10359

        Atta boy CSA ^^^ YOU tell'em...!

        Condition 1, 2...3...?

        What is THAT...!

        Here is my set-up...

        You enter my house [UN-wanted!] any time day or night, while I am home...,

        Condition --► 'you gonna die'

        That's what...!
        Last edited by ZirconJohn; 05-20-2012, 7:46 AM.
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        • #19
          Z.1
          Member
          • Sep 2009
          • 426

          Originally posted by zinfull
          I have that for my Glock. It is called a Holster. Protects the trigger until you remove the gun for use.

          jerry
          ^^^This.

          A foreign object in the trigger well sounds like a recipe for an ND.
          If a holster won't fit in your gun vault, perhaps you'd find more comfort in keeping your finger off the trigger until you're ready to shoot? I happen to have a light on my HD pistol, so my index finger is first going to manipulate the switch before finding its way to the trigger.

          Or you can keep a glass of water on your night stand to dump on your face if you need to wake up and use your gun
          Last edited by Z.1; 05-20-2012, 7:10 AM.
          Originally posted by pappabacon
          I never kept those who let me put my roll pin in the wrong hole, I know what kind of lower receivers they are. Probably let anyone come along and stick their roll pin in there.

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          • #20
            Can't buy anything here
            Senior Member
            • May 2006
            • 797

            I have an LEM trigger on my P2000 and I keep still keep it in condition 3 for HD since I too have small children around. It's in the safe during the day and at night it goes on a top shelf in my closet so I can grab it without fumbling with a combo. I have also conditioned myself to never ever leave the gun on a counter or my desk when the kids aren't around. This way, I will never accidentally do it while they are around..
            3 day waiting period???? but I'm mad now!!!!!!

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            • #21
              scarville
              CGN/CGSSA Contributor
              • Feb 2009
              • 2325

              All seven chambers loaded, flashlight and a spare clip in an NV200. Unlocked when I'm home, locked when I'm not.

              I do have to lift the lid to retrieve the gun...
              Politicians and criminals are moral twins separated only by legal fiction.

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              • #22
                jonzer77
                • Jul 2010
                • 8525

                Originally posted by scarville
                All seven chambers loaded, flashlight and a spare clip in an NV200. Unlocked when I'm home, locked when I'm not.

                I do have to lift the lid to retrieve the gun...
                You should probably put a spare mag in there also
                Originally posted by barrage
                That's because Excelsior threads are like toilet bowls. They're made for crapping in and occasionally pissing on the side of.

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                • #23
                  scarville
                  CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                  • Feb 2009
                  • 2325

                  Originally posted by jonzer77
                  You should probably put a spare mag in there also
                  Gods! You people are too easy...

                  Politicians and criminals are moral twins separated only by legal fiction.

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                  • #24
                    jonzer77
                    • Jul 2010
                    • 8525

                    Originally posted by scarville
                    Gods! You people are too easy...

                    Lol I stand corrected.
                    Originally posted by barrage
                    That's because Excelsior threads are like toilet bowls. They're made for crapping in and occasionally pissing on the side of.

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                    • #25
                      ZombieTactics
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                      • Jan 2010
                      • 3691

                      Seems to me this does the trick:

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                      • #26
                        Turo
                        Calguns Addict
                        • May 2009
                        • 5066

                        Originally posted by ZombieTactics
                        Seems to me this does the trick:

                        Mic Holster
                        That's what I keep on my Glock that's being used for HD. Even after mine cracked, it is still useful as a trigger guard cover and I can pop it on as a makeshift holster if I need to.
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                        • #27
                          MossbergMan
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2009
                          • 1255

                          Rigma, invest in a Gun Vault, a Titan Gun Vault or other similar device. If I'm awake enough to enter my combination on my Gun Vault I'm awake enough NOT to put my finger into the trigger guard until I'm ready to shoot.
                          KISS= Keep it simple shooter!
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                          • #28
                            Rorge Retson
                            Veteran Member
                            • Feb 2012
                            • 2712

                            Originally posted by scotty99
                            Perhaps invest in a good early warning / alarm system. Mine is called an Akita.
                            Originally posted by Corbin Dallas
                            Its called condition 3. Full magazine inserted on a empty chamber. Wake, rack, roll.
                            Originally posted by zinfull
                            I have that for my Glock. It is called a Holster. Protects the trigger until you remove the gun for use.
                            I like these solutions best.

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                            • #29
                              luckystrike
                              Veteran Member
                              • Feb 2009
                              • 4176

                              Well imagine this situation, you are woken up by the door splitting open and you grab your pistol but for 3 hours youv been sleeping on your arm so it's dead asleep and you can't rack the slide in the heat of the second because for some silly reason you don't keep a loaded gun for home defense. My solution- simply keep your booger-hook off the trigger unless your sights are on something you want to shoot.

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                              • #30
                                Rigma
                                Senior Member
                                • Mar 2009
                                • 988

                                First off, thank you all for not simply stating my idea was stupid, (which it was) and instead giving constructive criticism and analysis to set me straight.

                                Thank you for pointing out the Saf-T-Blok, it seems someone has already come up with a better design.

                                Thanks also to those that pointed out that another mechanical device is not the answer. The tool is not the problem, I am the problem. If I have an issue with the tool or how it is staged for use, then I simply need a new tool or different setup/strategy.

                                When I decided my home needed to be secure, I didn't try to invent some new security device. I bought an alarm system and a big dog that thankfully has protective instincts with regards to my wife and our property line.

                                I am currently looking into a new handgun (because who needs an excuse to buy another and I still don't have one in .40) and the model(s) of interest are SA/DA. I still need to rent or test out at a range with someone that owns the current top of my list to ensure a good match.

                                Thanks again for teaching someone who is humble and eager enough to learn. It is why I love Calguns...and my wife is right, I need to get more sleep.
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