buying a Glock Gen 3 frame only

[Kodemonkey]

Okay, so I did some searching and I didn't get a specific "no you can't" come up in the results so here is my question:

I want to buy a Glock 17 Gen3 frame from Glockstore and have it shipped to my FFL. My FFL says it's okay. My FFL has done this before from Glockstore. But on 2 occasions Glockstore says that it is against the law. First they say that the it puts the FFL in jeapordy of losing their license, then they say that I am the one that would get in trouble.

So, if it is a rosterable gun is it legit? Is there some "Workaround" that my FFL is doing to make it legal or is Glockstore just spreading FUD.

[cntrolsguy]

I believe you cannot roster just a frame, it needs to be a complete working pistol. Not sure what the PC is but I'm sure someone will post it.

[Kodemonkey]

The Gen 3 Glock 17 was submitted for approval by the DOJ with a slide. Heck, even different grips on a 1911 constitute an off rostered gun. So why would different grips mean an off rostered gun but one with no slide wouldn't? And how can you do a safe handling demonstration without a slide?

Interesting point. Although I do have the top end to do the safe handling demo.

[tacticalcity]

I know it is legal outside California, but was always under the impression it is a no-go inside California unless doing a PPT. I would ask Gene.

Of course, what you could do is just bring in your working slide. Then have the dealer DROS it as a complete gun. I've done this will AR pistol lowers before. I brought in my own upper and they DROS'd it as a complete gun. The fact that you didn't get the slide from the same source as the lower half is irrelevant.

[Kodemonkey]

I know it is legal outside California, but was always under the impression it is a no-go inside California unless doing a PPT. I would ask Gene.

meaning it would be okay if the shipper was outside CA or the receiving FFL was outside CA? Just trying to clarify. Although both shipper and receiver are in the state of CA.

[HighLander51]

Same as Tacticalcity says, I have done it inside CA. You just bring a G17 slide assembly to your receiving FFL and they can proceed

[Kodemonkey]

Same as Tacticalcity says, I have done it inside CA. You just bring a G17 slide assembly to your receiving FFL and they can proceed

Right on. That's what I will do. I don't care if they even have to hold on to the top end for 10 days.

[tacticalcity]

Same as Tacticalcity says, I have done it inside CA. You just bring a G17 slide assembly to your receiving FFL and they can proceed

I think that is the catch.

And I meant people outside CA can do just the frame without the slide. Every state has their own unique rules that go ontop of the Federal rules. California is a bear...in more ways than one. Of course, I don't know the penal code or regulations covering this so somebody else may know more.

There are always FFLs who interpret the rules differently, just as there are DOJ agents who interpret the rules differently. But I've always been told it needed to be a complete handgun.

In all reality, we are not who you need to ask. You need to clear it with the FFL you plan to you use. Legal or not he doesn't have to do it. If he is remotely uncomfortable then he will say no. His rear is on the line WAY more than yours. So you may need to ask several FFLs for help before you find one willing to work with you.

Also, you want to ask about what kind of fees they charge. FFLs charge the DROS FEE, a receiving and storage fee, and then tax. They do this because they would much rather you buy guns out of their cases than online. If you did this thru any of the 8 local gun stores near me they would charge you $120 + tax. Crazy right? But another FFL that works out a warehouse that I have used for years charges $65+ tax. So you have a lot of homework to do.

Of course once you find an FFL willing to accept shipments at a fair price, the entire world wide web becomes your gun store. So it is well worth finding one willing to work with you and not rob you blind in the process.

[mrdd]

Same as Tacticalcity says, I have done it inside CA. You just bring a G17 slide assembly to your receiving FFL and they can proceed

Perhaps that is what his FFL is going to do, lend him a slide assembly for the 10 days?

I'm assuming the frame being purchased is a populated frame.

[scamp62]

I just did a Glock 35 PPT at Turners (San Mateo), and asked if I could keep the slide
to start some work on it, and the manager (a nice guy, not an *****) had to say no !
As I remember that (I wasn’t paying much attention to the excuse…I just wanted the slide)
then it is not a complete pistol, and it requires separate paper work, witch they don’t have ?
I guess a striped lower for an AR is a different bird, seems everybody is selling them like hotcakes !!

[Kodemonkey]

I think that is the catch.

And I meant people outside CA can do just the frame without the slide. Every state has their own unique rules that go ontop of the Federal rules. California is a bear.

There are always FFLs who interpret the rules differently, just as there are DOJ agents who interpret the rules differently. But I've always been told it needed to be a complete handgun.

In all reality, we are not who you need to ask. You need to clear it with the FFL you plan to you use. Legal or not he doesn't have to do it. If he is remotely uncomfortable then he will say no. His rear is on the line WAY more than yours. So you may need to ask several FFLs for help before you find one willing to work with you.

Also, you want to ask about what kind of fees they charge. FFLs charge the DROS FEE, a receiving and storage fee, and then tax. If you did this thru any of the 8 local gun stores near me they would charge you $120 + tax. Crazy right? But another FFL that works out a warehouse that I have used for years charges $65+ tax. So you have a lot of homework to do.

Of course once you find an FFL willing to accept shipments at a fair price, the entire world wide web becomes your gun store. So it is well worth finding one willing to work with you and not rob you blind in the process.

Actually, I did clear it with them. They aren't charging me anything over what the DROS is (I am a good customer and have a personal relationship with them). They are an above board FFL and are usually timid (ie, they don't want to get involved with SSE).

Glockstore just called back and said they wouldn't do it, even though they called the FFL and they stated they were okay with it (so why did they even call them????). Oh well. I'm not going to try to force someone to take my money. I just have an extra top end that I want to use rather than try to sell it.

[Oceanbob]

Interesting point. Although I do have the top end to do the safe handling demo.

Simple solution is too ship the top end to Glockstore and have them send the (now) complete weapon to your FFL.

I've bought 3 GLOCK frames from out of State. 2 from GLOCKMEISTER and one from a private party in Arizona. My FFL knows me and I just showed up when they arrived and brought a top assembly with me. Waited 10 days and took her home.

On one custom G19 I built for my daughter, the Frame came from GLOCKMEISTER and I did buy the lonewolf slide/barrel/guts from Lenny at GLOCKSTORE. During the DROS period I gave my FFL a top end from another G19 I had. No Problemo.

The thread on my FrankenGlock

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=545469