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  • gun toting monkeyboy
    Calguns Addict
    • Aug 2008
    • 6820

    Not AOW range report

    Well I finally broke down and did all the running around and printing up the ATF letter to Franklin Armory, and the CA AW laws for a packet to go in my range bag with my AR pistol. Not because I worry about the pistol itself, but because I finally broke down and put a vertical front grip on it. It measures 26.5 inches, so it falls outside of what the ATF considers to be an AOW.

    So I got to the range and ran a several of boxes through it. I have to say that the VFG makes a huge difference in terms of accuracy. You are able to tuck the buffer tube up into your cheek and hold it very tightly. It also helps steady the front of the gun. My groups out to just over 20 yards all tightened up considerably. And it is just much more comfortable to shoot. Follow-up shots are significantly faster as well.

    In addition to testing out the VFG, I also got to try out that 80% lower I made at the last build party in Carlsbad. The anodizing held up beautifully, and was still slick at the end of the session. The fouling literally wiped off of it when I was done. No solvents or scrubbing needed. That was nice.

    About half way through the range session, the gunsmith that works there came out to see what was making all the noise. I have a 10.5 inch barrel with a compensator on it. It is um... a bit loud. I have known this particular smith for over 10 years, and he is one of the most knowledgeble people I know, in any field. He chuckled at the VFG. He declined to shoot it, however. Even though he agrees that it is perfectly legal, he doesn't want to have anything to do with them. I had to laugh at that. The ATF and DOJ have people so afraid of these kinds of things that even people who know they are kosher don't want to risk run-ins with cops or ATF field agents who don't understand the laws. If anybody else wants to try this, get your paperwork in order so that you can show the uninformed in black and white. But I have to say, it brought the whole AR pistol thing to a whole new level for me. It went from noisy range toy to accurate noisy range toy.

    -Mb
    Originally posted by aplinker
    It's OK not to post when you have no clue what you're talking about.
  • #2
    Turbinator
    Administrator
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Oct 2005
    • 11934

    I may have missed it in another thread, you willing to post pics of this config here? Sounds pretty neat.

    Turby

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    • #3
      Gts408
      Member
      • Feb 2011
      • 323

      i been thinking about doing this but don't have the time or money to deal with the headaches if i am or not breaking the law. But it would be fun to put a VFG on my ar pistol, mine measure 29 ins. Can you send me your document packet for your NON-AOW, just so i can look it over? also pics would be nice
      The second amendment protects our Freedoms.

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      • #4
        gun toting monkeyboy
        Calguns Addict
        • Aug 2008
        • 6820

        sorry, I had posted pics in the 2a thread.



        I'll try to get together a list of all the links. But it is the letter to FA and the sections of the CA AWB regarding pistols. ALl I did was take a highlighter to them so that I could point out the right sections in a hurry. All of the information is here on Calguns though.

        -Mb
        Originally posted by aplinker
        It's OK not to post when you have no clue what you're talking about.

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        • #5
          n2k
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2008
          • 1513

          Franklin Armory is a California & Nevada quality based AR-15 manufacturer. We offer quality, reliable firearms for civilians, law enforcement, & military agencies


          Here is EBR Works thread:

          Last edited by n2k; 02-10-2012, 7:22 AM.

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          • #6
            morrcarr67
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Jul 2010
            • 15025

            Very cool MB. I do have a question for you though. Did you ever have a AFG on your pistol? If so, how did that work compared to the VFG?
            Yes you can have 2 C&R 03 FFL's; 1 in California and 1 in a different state.

            Originally posted by Erion929

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            • #7
              Steve1968LS2
              CGN/CGSSA Contributor
              CGN Contributor
              • Feb 2010
              • 9274

              Thanks for posting.. I love my Franklin Not-AOW..

              They have to be legal.. Turners even sells them..
              Originally posted by tony270
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              Member: Patron member NRA, lifetime member SAF, CRPA

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              • #8
                n2k
                Senior Member
                • Dec 2008
                • 1513

                I run both setups.....the AFG is comfortable. It changes the angle of your grip, so whatever feels more comfortable to you.

                With these two options there really is no need to go down the AOW route for a VFG and wait time (4-6 months). (my 2 cents)

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                • #9
                  gun toting monkeyboy
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Aug 2008
                  • 6820

                  I have tried the AFG, but it didn't work as well for me. It wasn't as comfortable. Some people like them though. Also, I went to the Magpul Moe K pistol grip. I had been using an A2 pistol grip. But the Moe K lets me pull it in closer to my body when I am shooting, which made it easier to tuck up and hold.


                  Here is a video on how to shoot these effectively.
                  Last edited by gun toting monkeyboy; 02-10-2012, 8:16 AM.
                  Originally posted by aplinker
                  It's OK not to post when you have no clue what you're talking about.

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