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  • #16
    Lovin
    Member
    • Nov 2011
    • 155

    Originally posted by Quiet
    Starting on 01-01-2006, semi-auto centerfire pistols submitted for testing needed to have a "chamber load indicator" or a "magazine disconnect mechanism". [PC 31910(b)(4)]

    Starting on 01-01-2007, semi-auto centerfire pistols submitted for testing needs to have both a "chamber load indicator" and a "magazine disconnect mechanism". [PC 31910(b)(5)]

    The Walther PPS does not have a "chamber load indicator" as defined by CA law [PC 16380].



    Penal Code 16380
    As used in this part, "chamber load indicator" means a device that plainly indicates that a cartridge is in the firing chamber. A device satisfies this definition if it is readily visible, has incorporated or adjacent explanatory text or graphics, or both, and is designed and intended to indicate to a reasonably foreseeable adult user of the pistol, without requiring the user to refer to a user's manual or any other resource other than the pistol itself, whether a cartridge is in the firing chamber.

    Penal Code 16900
    As used in this part, "magazine disconnect mechanism" means a mechanism that prevents a semiautomatic pistol that has a detachable magazine from operating to strike the primer of ammunition in the firing chamber when a detachable magazine is not inserted in the semiautomatic pistol.

    Penal Code 31910
    As used in this part, "unsafe handgun" means any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person, for which any of the following is true:
    (b) For a pistol:
    (4) Commencing January 1, 2006, for a center fire semiautomatic pistol that is not already listed on the roster pursuant to Section 32015, it does not have either a chamber load indicator, or a magazine disconnect mechanism.
    (5) Commencing January 1, 2007, for all center fire semiautomatic pistols that are not already listed on the roster pursuant to Section 32015, it does not have both a chamber load indicator and if it has a detachable magazine, a magazine disconnect mechanism.
    (6) Commencing January 1, 2006, for all rimfire semiautomatic pistols that are not already listed on the roster pursuant to Section 32015, it does not have a magazine disconnect mechanism, if it has a detachable magazine.

    (7)Where a manufacturer hasn't paid the king of California the annual duty required to keep their product on the roster.

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    • #17
      dwightlooi
      Member
      • Mar 2007
      • 460

      Originally posted by Quiet
      As used in this part, "chamber load indicator" means a device that plainly indicates that a cartridge is in the firing chamber. A device satisfies this definition if it is readily visible, has incorporated or adjacent explanatory text or graphics, or both, and is designed and intended to indicate to a reasonably foreseeable adult user of the pistol, without requiring the user to refer to a user's manual or any other resource other than the pistol itself, whether a cartridge is in the firing chamber.
      You know... I think this is stretching it a bit. But, the language of the regulation seems to indicated that a gun submitted in or after 2008:-
      • Must have a loaded chamber indicator
      • Must have language on gun that describe what the indicator does
      • Together both must make it apparent to the user that the chamber is loaded, when it is, without reading the manual

      The purpose of these nonsense is to alert the user that he has a loaded gun even when he is not familiar with the weapon, and hopefully cause him to be cautious with its handling. However there is no language that says that the indicator must not indicate that the gun is loaded when it is not. In otherwords, no explicit prohibition of the "indicator" and "language" giving false positives.

      In otherwords, an indicator that always say "LOADED" along with language that describe that may be in compliance with the law. An always positive indicator would have the same effect of alerting a moron that he has a loaded gun when he does. That it also "tricks" him into thinking that he has a loaded gun when he doesn't can only be a plus from a safety standpoint and not a negative!

      Based on that, would the language "THIS GUN IS ALWAYS LOADED" satisfy the requirement? I was wondering if anyone sued on that basis!
      Last edited by dwightlooi; 01-05-2012, 12:49 PM.

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