Handgun effective range for self defense/combat?

[stangmar]

Whoops didn't mean to cause people to argue or anything. I should probably change the question and leave self defense out of the equation.

Let me reask the question:

If I were to compete in a GSSF competition or similar competition like in this video starting at 1:51 :


How do the people shooting subcompacts stack up against those shooting compacts vs fullsized under a speed/time trial?

But I think as a lot of other people have mentioned , it's unimportant how other people do. I can only focus on improving my skills and practicing with what I have.

[therealnickb]

You keep calling these events "Random" yet they have happened recently and in areas I'm in. You might want to read up on our laws instead of just assuming things:

http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/pdfs/firearms/forms/pdf/Cfl2007.pdf

Just an FYI Arson would be a forcible felony if I believed it was an imminent threat to my family or anyone in my home.


Regarding riots, handguns worked fine for those Koreans during the L.A. riots and I have my handgun with my 24/7 unlike my AR.

You go ahead and drop that kid with the flaming bag of poop 25 yards from your house and see how your "booklet" treats you. I doubt your attorney will be using it though.

The events were exactly random.
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proceeding, made, or occurring without definite aim, reason, or pattern:

BTW, the Koreans atop their stores that I saw on TV were holding rifles and shotguns. (as would I be)

I'm done nitpicking with you though.

[therealnickb]

Whoops didn't mean to cause people to argue or anything. I should probably change the question and leave self defense out of the equation.

Let me reask the question:

If I were to compete in a GSSF competition or similar competition like in this video starting at 1:51 :


How do the people shooting subcompacts stack up against those shooting compacts vs fullsized under a speed/time trial?

But I think as a lot of other people have mentioned , it's unimportant how other people do. I can only focus on improving my skills and practicing with what I have.

Ahhh. This makes more sense. I have an xd40 sc that I love to shoot & usually carry. But I have a couple full size 1911's that will out shoot it and me.

Carry on.

[Shenaniguns]

You go ahead and drop that kid with the flaming bag of poop 25 yards from your house and see how your "booklet" treats you. I doubt your attorney will be using it though.

The events were exactly random.
adjective
1.
proceeding, made, or occurring without definite aim, reason, or pattern:

BTW, the Koreans atop their stores that I saw on TV were holding rifles and shotguns. (as would I be)

I'm done nitpicking with you though.

Funny how i said Molatov Cocktail you spun into a kid with a flaming bag of poop. And if it was a kid pulling a prank I'm sure he'd comply to an armed home owner shouting commands with a Surefire blinding him.


They had both handguns in this video http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3be_1237333767

I know some had rifles too but not here.

[Whatisthis?]

BTW, the Koreans atop their stores that I saw on TV were holding rifles and shotguns. (as would I be)

I'm done nitpicking with you though.

You not seeing the handguns in no way implies that handguns weren't there...

[Shenaniguns]

You not seeing the handguns in no way implies that handguns weren't there...

Watch the video above your post that i linked.

[therealnickb]

Funny how i said Molatov Cocktail you spun into a kid with a flaming bag of poop. And if it was a kid pulling a prank I'm sure he'd comply to an armed home owner shouting commands with a Surefire blinding him.


They had both handguns in this video http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3be_1237333767

I know some had rifles too but not here.

OK cat eyes. No spin, just trying to keep you out of trouble.

And right, all the teens I know stop and drop on command.

[therealnickb]

You not seeing the handguns in no way implies that handguns weren't there...

Didn't try to imply that hand guns were not present. (Heck, if I were living in the middle of a riot, I might want to have all the guns I could carry close by)

From the get go, the issue I tried to address was why the OP asked about which pistol was OK or better for self defense from 20+ yards. My gut was none of the above, but I kept asking what he was concerned about. Eventually he replied, GSSF. He apparently wanted to know if a good CCW could compete in that arena too. My answer to that was I shoot much better with a full size 1911 than the sc I usually carry.

Bottom line for me is, right tool for the right job.

[Nachoman]

Most people move, including myself. I won't be standing still and neither would the person that I need to defend against. While I've engaged steel targets out to 100yds, there's no way I'd be able to engage a moving target at 100yds let alone 25yds with a subcompact. Movement opens up a whole new can of worms thats really hard to practice.

[Shenaniguns]

Most people move, including myself. I won't be standing still and neither would the person that I need to defend against. While I've engaged steel targets out to 100yds, there's no way I'd be able to engage a moving target at 100yds let alone 25yds with a subcompact. Movement opens up a whole new can of worms thats really hard to practice.

So if a crazed gunmen doesn't abide by the sacred 25 yard rule and decides to engage you while you have nowhere to run, take cover or concealment do you just close your eyes and hope he goes away? I'm not advocating that one should go out of your way to a gunfight at a longer distance, all I'm saying is that it could happen.


Here's a good article on what I've been saying:

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/ccm-columns/long-distance-shooting/

[Nachoman]

So if a crazed gunmen doesn't abide by the sacred 25 yard rule and decides to engage you while you have nowhere to run, take cover or concealment do you just close your eyes and hope he goes away? I'm not advocating that one should go out of your way to a gunfight at a longer distance, all I'm saying is that it could happen.


Here's a good article on what I've been saying:
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/ccm...ance-shooting/

No, I'm saying that all the folks saying "I can hit a man sized target at 100yds easily" aren't realizing that once that target starts walking around, it's a heck of a lot harder.

[Shenaniguns]

No, I'm saying that all the folks saying "I can hit a man sized target at 100yds easily" aren't realizing that once that target starts walking around, it's a heck of a lot harder.

I don't think anyone has said otherwise... Just because something isn't easy, do you not try if your life or a loved ones is on the line?

[Hopalong]

I'd say that at 25 yds, there are better options than firing at a moving target.

For one, if you miss, where is the bullet going?

I always liked the quote from Wyatt Earp on "the best way to win a gunfight"

He said, "that's easy, don't show up"

At 25yds and beyond, that may be an option.

Having said that, when I go to the range

I practice at 7, 10, 15 and 25yds, and do pretty well

But I'm not scared, and nobody is moving

[Nachoman]

I don't think anyone has said otherwise... Just because something isn't easy, do you not try if your life or a loved ones is on the line?

Actually many people said something to that effect, heck even I have reliably hit a 100yd stationary target, but i doubt many (including myself) could hit a moving one. So engaging a moving target at 100yds wouldn't be my first choice... but yes, since i know you're fishing for someone to validate what you're saying... if i'm trapped with my family in a 100yd (or 25yd) alley with nowhere to evade or seek cover... then yes I would be happy to stand there and engage the target to the best of my abilities. Happy?

[Shenaniguns]

Actually many people said something to that effect, heck even I have reliably hit a 100yd stationary target, but i doubt many (including myself) could hit a moving one. So engaging a moving target at 100yds wouldn't be my first choice... but yes, since i know you're fishing for someone to validate what you're saying... if i'm trapped with my family in a 100yd (or 25yd) alley with nowhere to evade or seek cover... then yes I would be happy to stand there and engage the target to the best of my abilities. Happy?

I have no idea why you're bringing up the 100 yard argument when all I'm saying is that a threat can be 25 yards and beyond...