Armed Forces members need HSC???

[CSDGuy]

Good to go, since the personnel that cooks or the personnel that searches houses all have to qualified with some kind of firearms. Whether you retired or have an honorable discharge shouldnt make a difference on firearm proficiency. Short personal story in the military you get fire safety training, some like the Navy very elaborate, some its just the use of a fire extinguisher class. Its every year, If you cant get the operation of a fire extinguisher down pat in the first 3 years of training there is no hope, 20 years of a yearly class arent goint to make a difference. Same with firearms qualification. But my point is there any provisions for the vets of lets say WW2 the served but didnt retire.

I don't think so under the current scheme.

[4 Brigada]

I don't think so under the current scheme.

That is a shameful, that no provisions were made, it wouldnt have cost anything just write it in.

[CSDGuy]

That is a shameful, that no provisions were made, it wouldnt have cost anything just write it in.

I just rechecked the exemption codes for the HSC. Those were listed earlier in this thread. They are the ONLY Military exemptions. I agree. It is most shameful that our non-retired honorably discharged vets weren't included.

[N6ATF]

Those of us in medical also carry and are trained with weapons by the military. At least those of us stationed with the Marine Corps.

Somebody's been watching too much MASH...

I know a doctor with a non-emergent specialty who is a captain in the Navy and was head of her specialty's department while active (now reserves, last I heard) and somehow I doubt she, being hospital-bound, was trained in firearms at any point, let alone at any regular interval.

[jc_stecker]

Well, that gives me about 22 more days to get a handgun sans HSC.

[CSDGuy]

I know a doctor with a non-emergent specialty who is a captain in the Navy and was head of her specialty's department while active (now reserves, last I heard) and somehow I doubt she, being hospital-bound, was trained in firearms at any point, let alone at any regular interval.

She probably DID at least get some cursory firearms training during her initial training. It's completely possible that she never did any training beyond that. I don't think I've ever heard of someone going through some basic military training and not get at least some weapons familiarization. After that initial training, how much further training you get would probably depend on your assignment.

[bobfried]

Everyone in the military is trained with some sort of firearms at some point in their career, NO ONE IS EXEMPTED.

I worked with enough medical personnel and chaplain's to know that for a fact. They moan and groan when it comes to qualify on the M-9, but they all have to do at least that to get out of the abbreviated medical OBC.

That Navy Captain most definately have qualified with at least a handgun. You don't get O-6 with seniority on almost any naval vessel without being at least proficient on some sort of firearm. That whole assertion about medical and chaplains is just ludicrious, its the MILITARY, not some boy scout jamboree.

[CSDGuy]

Well, that gives me about 22 more days to get a handgun sans HSC.

Unless you become a reservist... or you find your way into another HSC exemption...

[MedSpec65]

Everyone in the military is trained with some sort of firearms at some point in their career, NO ONE IS EXEMPTED.

I worked with enough medical personnel and chaplain's to know that for a fact. They moan and groan when it comes to qualify on the M-9, but they all have to do at least that to get out of the abbreviated medical OBC.

That Navy Captain most definately have qualified with at least a handgun. You don't get O-6 with seniority on almost any naval vessel without being at least proficient on some sort of firearm. That whole assertion about medical and chaplains is just ludicrious, its the MILITARY, not some boy scout jamboree.

Absolutely.

[Fjold]

I know a doctor with a non-emergent specialty who is a captain in the Navy and was head of her specialty's department while active (now reserves, last I heard) and somehow I doubt she, being hospital-bound, was trained in firearms at any point, let alone at any regular interval.

I remember doing an annual requalification with 45's once and the person shooting next to me was a female O-3 gynecologist.

All I could think of was "A gynecologist shooting a 45?" I had never seen one that dangerous.

[461]

"if you are a cook in the military it still exempts you"

And it damn well should!! It might interest you to know that this retired cook was also a ships weapons officer and firearms trainer. I was responsible for everything from flare launchers to .50bmg and training all personnel on small arms as well as use of force. Nobody got to carry without going through me.

[eckerph]

"if you are a cook in the military it still exempts you"

And it damn well should!! It might interest you to know that this retired cook was also a ships weapons officer and firearms trainer. I was responsible for everything from flare launchers to .50bmg and training all personnel on small arms as well as use of force. Nobody got to carry without going through me.

My wife is a cook and she still has too qualify with the M-16 every two years. When she deploys she has to qualify with both M-16 and M-9 before she can ship out. They will make you qualify with whatever they think is necessary for the theater of operations you will be in.

[RRangel]

How did we let that one get by?

The same way all the rest of the victim disarmament laws are passed.

[EOD Guy]

excemption numbers for Military are as ff
X-21 Active Duty
X-22 Miltary Reserves
X-25 Military Honorably Retired

Actually, there is no such thing as an honorable retirement. You are either retired for length of service or medically retired.

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