Kimber Warrior II

[calAWBsux]

Okay, so does this Cali model have the stupid Schwartz safety or not???

[Black Majik]

nope...

[kantstudien]

Actually, yes it does. "II" = douche safety

[calAWBsux]

Actually, yes it does. "II" = douche safety

Okay, I know the II stand for the "douche" safety, but have you actually verified it? Maybe, it's a new model or something? Maybe???

And why does Kimber HAVE to put that crap on it? I mean, do the Nighthawk customs have 'em? Or the Wilsons? Don't some 1911 pistols sold in CRAPPYFORNIA not have these safeties? (series 80 or the really crappty Schwartz)

[esskay]

Okay, I know the II stand for the "douche" safety, but have you actually verified it? Maybe, it's a new model or something? Maybe???

And why does Kimber HAVE to put that crap on it? I mean, do the Nighthawk customs have 'em? Or the Wilons? Don't some 1911 pistols sold in CRAPPYFORNIA not have these safeties? (series 80 or the really crappty Schwartz)

Many 1911s on the certified CA list do NOT have firing pin safeties... Springfield Armory, Nighthawk, Wilson, Les Baer, etc

[Black Majik]

Actually, yes it does. "II" = douche safety

My apologies, I didn't know that Kimber introduced a Warrior II for California's drop tests.

I stand corrected.

The original Warrior doesn't come with the Schwartz safety so thats what i assumed the poster was asking. My mistake.

[handbook]

the firing pin block safety is easily removed. just pop-off your rear sight, the block & spring fall out.

i "Warrior-ized" my TLE/RL2 and this was the first mod i performed.

[triaged]

...just pop-off your rear sight...

Does it really just pop off? I thought the things were pressed in there and should be taken to a smith to have them taken off

...I have never tried to take mine off.

Is there really any problem with the series II firing pin safety? I have never had a problem with mine...only a few failure to feeds before it was broken in and still with some CHEAP mags I got.

[handbook]

yes, you do need a press to move the sight, and it did make a popping noise.

[calAWBsux]

why swartz safeties suck

Firing pin safeties typically fall into the Colt Series 80 pattern which are actuated by the trigger (Colt Series 80, Para Ordnance, Sig GSR) and the Swartz style safety which is actuated by the grip safety (Kimber, Smith & Wesson). Of all the firing pin safety mechanisms on the market, the original Colt Series 80 – in a Colt – is the most reliable of them all. The platforms utilizing the Swartz safety are a less than ideal choice across the board due to the inherent reliability problems of the design. The Swartz safety is extremely sensitive to the fit of the grip safety to the frame and the timing of the grip safety’s trigger blocking arm. Tolerance issues can also lead to a Swartz safety that will time properly when the grip safety is depressed a certain way, and time differently when depressed a different way. This will typically be a product of loose fit of the grip safety to the frame tangs and/or loose fit of the thumb safety shaft through the grip safety. It is possible to have the grip safety timed such that the trigger will be able to release the sear well before the firing pin safety plunger has been moved far enough to clear the firing pin. Problems with improper timing of the Swartz safeties can lead to a situation where you get a “click” when you wanted a “bang.” That’s a serious problem. Unless department policy mandates a firing pin safety, I would choose a 1911 without a firing pin safety. It is possible to have a drop safe 1911 without the firing pin safety, and given the potential reliability problems with a poorly executed system, the perceived risk of drop safety is outweighed by the real risk of a failure to fire. Choosing a 1911 for Duty Use, v 1.1, 12/30/2005, http://www.10-8performance.com/id8.html Hilton Yam