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**tacticalcity** · 10-19-2011, 12:05 PM

Originally posted by quarterscalelegends

So are you saying that if you put a loaded revolver AND a semi auto on a table in front of a person with no knowledge of guns that they would be able to make them both safe with the same amount of effort and confidence?

FYI for HD Revolvers are CLEARY the best choice simply for the fact they are 100% reliable. Now if its zombies you are worried about, you may have time to clear that FTF since they walk so slow anyway... LOL

See that thing flying over your head....that was the point.

It's clearly NOT clear since I and many others with a boat load of experience and training emphatically disagree with you.

The limited capacity, very hard DA trigger pull that hinders accuracy (especially for new shooters), and slower reloads are reasons why many if not most would opt for a semi-auto for self defense the majority of the time. Revolvers do have their place. They make an excellent choice for a backup weapon or weapon that has to be carried in an untraditional manner such as a purse gun. The same thing that makes them hard to be any good with (that really hard DA trigger pull) is the reason for that. Though I would still advise making sure they were in some sort of tuck holster that blocks the trigger if it is carried in a purse or backpack.

I am not saying I hate revolvers or that I would never use one. I am simply saying I disgaree with your assursion that they are the best option for a beginner and that they are the best option self defense. The beginner would struggle with the trigger pull considerably and the situation would determine what gun is the best tool for the job.

Your assumption that real life would not require more than the capacity of the revolver is simply nonesense. It is a total failure in mindset. Instead of preparing yourself for the worst case scenerio, which has become a daily scenerio along not just accross the border, you are limiting your mental preparedness right from the outset.

**ZombieTactics** · 10-19-2011, 12:08 PM

Originally posted by quarterscalelegends

... If i cant hit someone with 7 or 8 rounds i deserve to die.

Well, we know how much you value your life at least, lol.

Further, your reasoning is similar to the kind of "avoid reality at all costs" assumptions made by revolver cultists. It's not just a matter of "hitting someone", but rather stopping the threat ... please try to wrap your head around this concept.

Stopping a threat generally means 2-3 good hits. There is nothing radical or crazy about this notion ... it's just what has been confirmed in the field through FBI stats and New York's SOP 9 reports. I'm not expressing an opinion, simply noting what is known.

The same information reveals a hit percentage of perhaps 20% or so for the very best shooters. Is that you? Good, you're a great shot. Well done ... you can now count on having to shoot 10 rounds to get 2 or 3 good hits ... or perhaps you are much better than anyone on the planet has ever demonstrated under stress? Again, I'm not expressing my opinion, simply what is known. You are free to base your opinions upon self-serving fantasies if you wish, but perhaps it's time to reevaluate.

How does this information apply to our novice?

And again, let's take ourselves back to the world of reality. The 3 armed thugs at Outback are not a theoretical case, nor are the dozens and dozens of reported cases with multiple attackers. Resting yourself upon the fact that there are indeed some cases where a single shot did the trick avoids a simple fact: you don't get to pick your scenario in advance.

Given that - based upon reality - 10 rounds seems to be a minimum requirement for a self-defense encounter, how does it serve anyone well to repeat these demonstrably false notions about 5-6-7-8 rounds being "enough", and slow reloads being just fine?

Whether you deserve to die for poor choices is debatable, but it's perhaps inevitable should the case arise. Reality is a harsh mistress like that.

**tacticalcity** · 10-19-2011, 12:10 PM

Originally posted by quarterscalelegends

so are you saying your failure in mindset is that he could have 3 or 4 speed loaders or moon clips in his pocket? I have a 8 round s&w lightweight that runs moon clips. i could easily have 24 rounds at my disposal that load just as fast as a magazine. Better yet, i could be riding a unicorn with a backpack full of moon clips giving me a capacity of over 1000 rounds...

LOL

Your comments are annoying and childish. The adults are speaking. Go back to playing with your GI Joe dolls until we are done.

**ZombieTactics** · 10-19-2011, 12:17 PM

Originally posted by quarterscalelegends

... FYI for HD Revolvers are CLEARY the best choice simply for the fact they are 100% reliable. ...

Hand me your revolver. I'll make the simple "mistake" of dropping it and stepping on it while fumbling a reload under stress. (Somehow revolver guys never are willing to accept any such challenges, hmmmm)

Your 100% reliable notion goes right out the window ... once you venture out into the cold hard real world.

You cultists really need to stop polluting every thread with religious ramblings and vague hallucinations.

**loose_electron** · 10-19-2011, 12:19 PM

Guys - this is a total beginner who is asking advice.

Don't get into a food fight over the subtle aspects of weaponry, and firefights with multi attackers, etc, etc, etc.

That is way beyond the scope of the original question.

Let the new person get to a class, learn some basics and discuss options with their instructor, ok?

Chill!

**heycorey** · 10-19-2011, 12:22 PM