glock hating? What does everyone have against polymer?

[tacticalcity]

I don't hate Glocks . . . just like a good trigger. Nice crisp, clean breaking triggers, fast resetting triggers.

Glock triggers . . . lets just say they don't fall into that category.

It has an "interesting" break that takes getting used to. But the rest of your statement is not true. Especially the part about the reset. Of all the guns in it's category it has the shortest reset out there. The biggest complaint about all the Glock clones is that none of them (with the possible exception of the new Walther PPQ which I have yet to try myself so I cannot say for sure) have drastically longer resets. All guns with a shorter reset have other trade offs. Such as thumb safties, decockers, really hard DA first pulls, and so on.

[QuarterBoreGunner]

Isn't there a statistic where Glock was used to kill the most people in this world compared to any other brand?

I'll bite.

And what does this have to do with the thread exactly?

[railroader]

I like both steel and polymer pistols. I like the looks and the simplicity of glocks but I hate the ergos of the grip. They feel awkward in my hand. I had a g17 that I put competition sights on and did trigger work on it but I just couldn't shoot it very well. I sold it and bought a ruger p95 which works better for me. I also have to agree the glock fanboys do get carried away which is a turn off.

[tacticalcity]

I don't hate Glocks . . . just like a good trigger. Nice crisp, clean breaking triggers, fast resetting triggers.

Glock triggers . . . lets just say they don't fall into that category.

It has an "interesting" break that takes getting used to. But the rest of your statement is not true. Especially the part about the reset. Of all the guns in it's category it has the shortest reset out there. The biggest complaint about all the Glock clones is that none of them (with the possible exception of the new Walther PPQ which I have yet to try myself so I cannot say for sure) have drastically longer resets. All guns with a shorter reset have other trade offs. Such as thumb safties, decockers, really hard DA first pulls, and so on.

Take the 1911 for example. Which has my favorite trigger and is an excellent gun. It has a bunch of trade offs. It has a thumb safety, holds 1/3 the rounds, and is much heavier (even with an aluminum frame) and arguably less comfortable to carry all day long (though thinner so easier to hide). You could get a double stack 1911 to eliminate one of those trade offs, but then it becomes harder to conceal and you still have a thumb safety.

So as with all things it becomes a balancing act of measuring pros and cons. Which ever way you go, you give something or multiple somethings up.

[AAShooter]

It has an "interesting" break that takes getting used to. But the rest of your statement is not true. Especially the part about the reset. Of all the guns in it's category it has the shortest reset out there. The biggest complaint about all the Glock clones is that none of them (with the possible exception of the new Walther PPQ which I have yet to try myself so I cannot say for sure) have drastically longer resets. All guns with a shorter reset have other trade offs. Such as thumb safties, decockers, really hard DA first pulls, and so on.

Put a 1911 trigger in a Glock and you start approaching perfection. A grip and thumb safety don't bother me at all.

[orangeusa]

I like both steel and polymer pistols. I like the looks and the simplicity of glocks but I hate the ergos of the grip. They feel awkward in my hand. I had a g17 that I put competition sights on and did trigger work on it but I just couldn't shoot it very well. I sold it and bought a ruger p95 which works better for me. I also have to agree the glock fanboys do get carried away which is a turn off.

Yeah, Ruger went from metal to poly on a lot of models, but in most cases the guns are equal or better than the earlier versions (at least weight wise). So I don't see the anti-polymer sentiment that OP had mentioned....

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[FourLoko]

It has an "interesting" break that takes getting used to. But the rest of your statement is not true. Especially the part about the reset. Of all the guns in it's category it has the shortest reset out there. The biggest complaint about all the Glock clones is that none of them (with the possible exception of the new Walther PPQ which I have yet to try myself so I cannot say for sure) have drastically longer resets. All guns with a shorter reset have other trade offs. Such as thumb safties, decockers, really hard DA first pulls, and so on.

Yep, if you're dogging the trigger reset on a Glock you've got serious issues.

[hkdad]

How about 'first polymer framed pistol to have success in the mass market?'

Oh, and damn, that VP70 trigger sucked. You needed an engine hoist for that thing.

Though it *did* have that fun 'stock option'

yeah, the trigger on the vp70 sucks, but i can say the same thing to a glock stock trigger as well! some people think because it's a "GLOCK" it's the first polymer pistol ever produced. i am pretty sure, a lot of people are not aware of this.

[tacticalcity]

I would agree the Glock would benefit from many of the features seen in the 1911.

Unfortunately it stops being a Glock once you put a 1911 trigger in it, because that light pull requires a thumb safety to be safely carried. Don't get me wrong, I dig the 1911 especially the pull. But you'll hear firearms professionals warn time and time again about people, including seasoned professionals drawing, pointing in, pulling the trigger, and finding a dead trigger. Why? They forgot to take the safety off in the heat of the moment. This can be attributed to lack of training, but part of it is human nature as well. You truly have to practice to the point of insanity (which I recommend anyway but few people are as obsessed as I/we are) for it truly become muscle memory.

I can see the argument of a trigger that has less of a crunch when it breaks being a plus. However, when I've shot really smooth aftermarket triggers that smoothed 'em out I had nothing but trouble. Perhaps it was just messing with my muscle memory because it changed a lot more than just the break it changed everything to the point of being unsafe for defensive carry, but it really screwed me up. So if you're a Glock guy thinking about messing with your trigger I would say becareful what you wish for.

The beaver tail would be great. I'm one of those guys with really fleshy hands between the thumb and trigger finger and that extra flesh can at times find its way riding too high behind the slide and I get slide bite. Figure once every 100-200 pulls. It's only a pinch, the size of a pimple. So I keep on shooting until the drill is over or the treat (imaginary in my case thank goodness) is gone just like you would in real life. But the extended beaver tail like that of the 1911 or S&W M&P would have been a nice touch on the Gen 4s.

I personally hate the finger grooves on the Glocks. It is something I tolerate because of all the other wonderful things I like about the Glock. I was stunned to see Glock offer interchangable backstraps (which should fix the grip angle argument for the haters) but not the front straps. Not liking the finger grooves is the number 1 things people who hold a Glock and say it doesn't fit their hands gripe about. So they really missed the boat on that one. Maybe the Gen 5's will have it.

All those complaints aside, there are so many things I love about the Glock it is still my favorite defensive gun. With the 1911 lagging just a hair behind.

[hkdad]

Put a 1911 trigger in a Glock and you start approaching perfection. A grip and thumb safety don't bother me at all.

nothing is perfect... put a toyota engine in a ferrari body! it's all about personal preferences.

[hkdad]

I would agree the Glock would benefit from many of the features seen in the 1911.

Unfortunately it stops being a Glock once you put a 1911 trigger in it, because that light pull requires a thumb safety to be safely carried. you'll hear firearms professionals warn time and time again about people, including seasoned professionals drawing, pointing in, pulling the trigger, and finding a dead trigger. Why...they forgot to take the safety off in the heat of the moment. This can be attributed to lack of training, but part of it is human nature as well. You truly have to practice to the point of insanity (which I recommend anyway) for it truly become muscle memory.

The beaver tail would be great. I'm one of those guys with really fleshy hands between the thumb and trigger finger and that extra flesh can at times find its way riding too high behind the slide and I get slide bite. Figure once every 100-200 pulls. It's only a pinch, the size of a pimple. So I keep on shooting until the drill is over or the treat (imaginary in my case thank goodness) is gone just like you would in real life. But the extended beaver tail like that of the 1911 or S&W M&P would have been a nice touch on the Gen 4s.

I personally hate the finger grooves on the Glocks. It is something I tolerate because of all the other wonderful things I like about the Glock. I was stunned to see Glock offer interchangable backstraps (which should fix the grip angle argument for the haters) but not the front straps. Not liking the finger grooves is the number 1 things people who hold a Glock and say it doesn't fit their hands gripe about. So they really missed the boat on that one. Maybe the Gen 5's will have it.

how many GENs do we need to make it a real "Glock Perfection"?

[tacticalcity]

how many GENs do we need to make it a real "Glock Perfection"?

Evolution brother. Innovate or die. They have to keep up with advances in technology and the whims of the market. When the Glock first came out nobody needed rails up front, and they were just starting to figure out polymer frames so interchangeable straps would have seemed to risky. They only added the finger grooves in an attempt to meet market demands because everybody was using those hogue slip-on grips. I've never liked them, but plenty of others do.

H&K does the same thing, they just call their guns a different model number when they do it. But you can clearly trace the evolution in design from one model to the next (between certain models not all).

[hkdad]

Evolution brother. Innovate or die.

it should be "Glock Evolution". if it's perfect why mess with it? right?

[HighValleyRanch]

I personally hate the finger grooves on the Glocks.

Yes, I prefer the 1st and 2nd generation glocks without the finger grooves.
Just about to get a 3rd gen glock 20 and already am considering grinding down the grooves and grip reduction, smoothing. (I love the feel of my smooth 1st gen glock 17).

As far as glock hating......from another thread here........

no, she is your typical glock person, she does not know anything about guns

Maybe he is joshing in good humor and getting a rise because his wife wants a glock 17 , but this isn't the first time I have seen these type of glock attacks. I mean, someone asked on another thread to suggest a good CCW gun. Someone posted Makarov, which is fine, because that is their opinion. But I did not post glock for fear of getting flamed upon.......

[Icypu]

why? Who knows.. I do prefer the feel of my P226, 92FS and 1911 over my P99, Steyr M9 and FNP-9..

I prefer the Steyr M9 ergonomics also. On point, I have no problem with Glocks. I don't think they are a bad or a great pistol. I am annoyed a Glock fanboyism. These people believe the answer to any problem is a glock!