Press Checking

[CK_32]

Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Huntington Beach
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in 1 year almost 3000 posts!!!

maybe you should slow down a lil bit....

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don't mind me.... i'm just bustin' your balls...

Hey you want some of this too pops?!? hahaha

[tonyxcom]

Never argue with a flat biller.

[Moto4Fun]

There are a couple arguments that I can think of against "press checking", but I am more than willing to be convinced otherwise.

Any manipulation of a gun increases the risk of an ND. Considering that some guns can't be checked unless the safety is disengaged, and the act of press checking in a safe direction can be a challenge makes the process higher risk than say simply ejecting a magazine or decocking or other simple "manipulations".

In some cases the check may be completely unnecessary, making the above risk have no up side. I don't chamber check my guns. In an "administrative" reload, I chamber a round, drop the mag, add another round to the mag. I would say that I confirmed the round chambered if I didn't see it fall from the pistol and the topped off mag inserts properly. A press check at that point would be an unnecessary additional manipulation that unseats a previously properly seated round. I would suggest that there are a couple downsides to that process with no potential up side. If that firearm then remains 100% in my control, there is no further need to check the chamber. The round won't fall out or magically disappear.

With all of that said, I would think the situation is significantly different for LEO's and Military who depend on their gun daily as a tool. It is also different for anyone or any situation where the loaded gun may not be 100% in their control. As an example, I know a LEO who keeps the duty weapon in the duty holster in the closet while off duty. While very unlikely, it is possible some may have unholstered and unloaded the weapon prior to reporting to duty. A chamber check would be a valid daily procedure in that case.

[Moto4Fun]

I think some of you have way too much lead exposure...
So you guys are just bestif a dead horse ...I'm don't defending lymphoid I think I explained and covered it quite well.

Who's been exposed to the led

[The Virus]

Ok but a pistol is never a primary defense it's always a rifle. And you don't press check a pistol you visual check. There is a huge differance. But again as stated above you don't press check a hand gun.

Say what? thats the first weapon I press check after loading, then holster.

[hkdad]

Hey you want some of this too pops?!? hahaha

no thanks! this is the internet.. it's hard to make a point here.

[ZombieTactics]

... And again I got specific about the term is because mr jr member figured hed challange me on not knowing what a press check is. So I let him know exactly where the actual term came from and got technical about it to shut him up and show I do know a little something every now and then. ...

Maybe I can learn something. I've only been shooting for about 35+ years and been regularly in the company of acknowledged experts, but what do I or they know? Perhaps I/they have it all wrong, but I've engaged in more than just casual study and training for longer than you have been alive, and I have never once heard the term "presscheck" defined specifically as a tactile technique used only with rifles. You'll also pardon me for having a bit of skepticism when someone barely old enough to buy a handgun deigns to hold himself out as some kind of expert.

The "press" part of presscheck comes from the practice - with an original 1911 pistol design - of pressing the spring-plug on the front of the gun to visually check for the presence of a chambered round. This is well known as being the historical origin of the term. Browning himself is known to have described it as such. It was considered a standard term and technique for the 1911 manual of arms. It had nothing to do with pressing or touching the actual cartridge. It originally had nothing to do with a rifle of any kind. This is not a matter of opinion, but a historical fact.

You really can't press the plug anymore on most handguns because of full-length rods, and it was sortof a dumb technique - safety-wise - in the first place. Nonetheless it has since universally come to mean almost any technique whereby you expose the chamber enough to do a visual and/or tactile confirmation of status. This is how the term is used at FrontSight, Gunsite, Tactical Response, Suarez International, Thunder Ranch, Sig Academy, Vickers Tactical and and by a whole host of internationally known and acknowledged experts.

For the record: You did not "get technical" about anything, but rather restated your raw opinion more directly and forcefully. If by some chance the information I've noted above is indeed inaccurate, I'd quite sincerely appreciate you actually getting technical ... reveal the sources upon which your opinion is based and school us all accordingly. I - for one - am open to instruction from qualified sources. I'd like you to explain how John Moses Browning didn't understand a term which originated with a handgun of his own design.

(Nice YouTube channel, BTW ... subscribed)

[tonyxcom]

I never did understand how sliding the bolt back in a rifle to feel if there was a round was a "press". Sounds like a pullcheck to me.

[dobsy5111]

my girl watches jersey shore, i read calguns haha. people who don't know what they are talking about shouldn't act like they do. and who is this john browning guy? how can he know anything about guns? he isn't even a forum member...

[Ralgha]

And again I got specific about the term is because mr jr member figured hed challange me on not knowing what a press check is. So I let him know exactly where the actual term came from and got technical about it to shut him up and show I do know a little something every now and then.

You should probably go inform the instructors at FLETC that they don't know what a press check is. Do come back and tell us how that goes.

[paul0660]

Remember the loudest sound you'll ever hear is a click when you should have heard a bang

Actually it is second, close behind the opposite.

[p1choco]

Maybe I can learn something. I've only been shooting for about 35+ years and been regularly in the company of acknowledged experts, but what do I or they know? Perhaps I/they have it all wrong, but I've engaged in more than just casual study and training for longer than you have been alive, and I have never once heard the term "presscheck" defined specifically as a tactile technique used only with rifles. You'll also pardon me for having a bit of skepticism when someone barely old enough to buy a handgun deigns to hold himself out as some kind of expert.

The "press" part of presscheck comes from the practice - with an original 1911 pistol design - of pressing the spring-plug on the front of the gun to visually check for the presence of a chambered round. This is well known as being the historical origin of the term. Browning himself is known to have described it as such. It was considered a standard term and technique for the 1911 manual of arms. It had nothing to do with pressing or touching the actual cartridge. It had nothing to do with a rifle of any kind.

You really can't press the plug anymore on most handguns because of full-length rods, and it was sortof a dumb technique - safety-wise - in the first place. Nonetheless it has since universally come to mean almost any technique whereby you expose the chamber enough to do a visual and/or tactile confirmation of status. This is how the term is used at FrontSight, Gunsite, Tactical Response, Suarez International, Thunder Ranch, Sig Academy, Vickers Tactical and and by a whole host of internationally known and acknowledged experts.

For the record: You did not "get technical" about anything, but rather restated your raw opinion more directly and forcefully. If by some chance the information I've noted above is indeed inaccurate, I'd quite sincerely appreciate you actually getting technical ... reveal the sources upon which your opinion is based and school us all accordingly. I - for one - am open to instruction from qualified sources. I'd like you to explain how John Moses Browning didn't understand a term which originated with a handgun of his own design.

(Nice YouTube channel, BTW ... subscribed)

Thank you for addressing where the "press" came from. Which btw is a method I do not advocate. Modern methods to manipulate the slide are much better/safer. Press check = chamber check. It's visually done when when is bright enough to see. Physically done when it's too dark to see. Does that make too much sense? It's not just limited to Military and LEO. For the few trained civilians that carry day to day do it. If you plan to carry for SD or for hunting, it is or should be a neccessary practice. Regardless of the mechanical chamber indicator your firearm may or may not have (some are just a hole). If you are a "tacticle" civilian range commander, it may not be a big deal to you. But if it something that you are using for a purpose other than using it at a lane range, you press check before you engange in your duty or holster up.

In a real gun fight (state side) why the fuch would I press check after reloading while keeping my eyes facing the enemy downrange?????? Something is wrong with that picture. If your firearm goes click or doesn't click, IMMIDIATE ACTION / tap rack bang. If it does it twice, RELOAD. Over seas is a different story. And if that is where you're at or where you're going, you don't need to listen to my chamber check ranting because you know what you're doing I hope.

[Peter W Bush]

Press checking a pistol isn't nessasary. If anything it's stupid because press checking a rifle is ok because it has a linger case. Everytime I press check my glock I almost eject it everytime and a few times I have half ejected the round and end up with a FTE problem. I think it's a bad habbit to get into especially if your in a life or death or battle field situation. Double tappin the msg then racking the slide should be a good enough sign for a round picked up. And if your stressed and have adrenaline going it's not going to happen. And that's why a lot of pistols have chamber indicators.. Or external extractors should be enough to show you if you have a round or don't.

And with a pistol you don't really get much to check if anything. I keep press checking to my rifles.

What??

Learn how to perform a correct press check. It's quite simple.

[sirsloth]

Maybe I can learn something. I've only been shooting for about 35+ years and been regularly in the company of acknowledged experts, but what do I or they know? Perhaps I/they have it all wrong, but I've engaged in more than just casual study and training for longer than you have been alive, and I have never once heard the term "presscheck" defined specifically as a tactile technique used only with rifles. You'll also pardon me for having a bit of skepticism when someone barely old enough to buy a handgun deigns to hold himself out as some kind of expert.

The "press" part of presscheck comes from the practice - with an original 1911 pistol design - of pressing the spring-plug on the front of the gun to visually check for the presence of a chambered round. This is well known as being the historical origin of the term. Browning himself is known to have described it as such. It was considered a standard term and technique for the 1911 manual of arms. It had nothing to do with pressing or touching the actual cartridge. It originally had nothing to do with a rifle of any kind. This is not a matter of opinion, but a historical fact.

You really can't press the plug anymore on most handguns because of full-length rods, and it was sortof a dumb technique - safety-wise - in the first place. Nonetheless it has since universally come to mean almost any technique whereby you expose the chamber enough to do a visual and/or tactile confirmation of status. This is how the term is used at FrontSight, Gunsite, Tactical Response, Suarez International, Thunder Ranch, Sig Academy, Vickers Tactical and and by a whole host of internationally known and acknowledged experts.

For the record: You did not "get technical" about anything, but rather restated your raw opinion more directly and forcefully. If by some chance the information I've noted above is indeed inaccurate, I'd quite sincerely appreciate you actually getting technical ... reveal the sources upon which your opinion is based and school us all accordingly. I - for one - am open to instruction from qualified sources. I'd like you to explain how John Moses Browning didn't understand a term which originated with a handgun of his own design.

(Nice YouTube channel, BTW ... subscribed)

Oh snap he got told.

[paul0660]

Oh snap he got told.

He won't know until he climbs out of the deep hole he dug.