AR Pistol Upper

[huntercf]

I'm still kicking myself so don't yell at me but I saw a vendor at the OC gun show selling AR pistol uppers for $425 and I didn't pick one up. Does anyone know of a place online that sells them (or locally in the I.E.) for a good price?

[osxgp]

I dont know where they sell them but if you place that on a complete lower with a stock; its a federal crime if Im not mistaken. Good luck. Maybe you could try riflegear.com and see if they can get one.

[Sydwaiz]

www.JSEsurplus.com and www.Marksarmory.com to start.

[huntercf]

Thanks guys, yeah NO stock then it becomes a SBR, only a buffer tube.

[huntercf]

I went with Marks Armory, they had a 7.5" upper that is complete with bcg and charging handle plus the bcg is milled so it doesn't need a buffer tube but they include a short tube just in case.

[djleisure]

I went with Marks Armory, they had a 7.5" upper that is complete with bcg and charging handle plus the bcg is milled so it doesn't need a buffer tube but they include a short tube just in case.

I don't understand that bolded bit. ^^^

Also, please be sure that you already have an AR pistol lower in your possession OR that you do NOT have any AR rifle lowers. Otherwise you get into "constructive possession of an SBR" territory.

Have fun!

[FourLoko]

the upper is the easy part

the lower is the tricky part

[bwiese]

Also, please be sure that you already have an AR pistol lower in your possession OR that you do NOT have any AR rifle lowers. Otherwise you get into "constructive possession of an SBR" territory.

THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT.

Thank you for mentioning it before I got around to my usual harangue.

[ke6guj]

I went with Marks Armory, they had a 7.5" upper that is complete with bcg and charging handle plus the bcg is milled so it doesn't need a buffer tube but they include a short tube just in case.

I don't understand that bolded bit. ^^^

Also, please be sure that you already have an AR pistol lower in your possession OR that you do NOT have any AR rifle lowers. Otherwise you get into "constructive possession of an SBR" territory.

Have fun!

I think he is talking about this one, http://www.marksarmory.com/Young_Man...istolupper.htm

looks like it uses a shorty buffer tube, but no buffer, just the spring.

[djleisure]

THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT.

Thank you for mentioning it before I got around to my usual harangue.

Any time.

I think he is talking about this one, http://www.marksarmory.com/Young_Man...istolupper.htm

looks like it uses a shorty buffer tube, but no buffer, just the spring.

Ah, looks like a modified (or maybe the latest version of) the GSE tube, that's what I have on mine, but it works with a standard BCG. I guess it was just worded kind of weird.

[CSI304]

Before you buy your pistol upper.. make sure you don't get yourself
into big trouble by triggering constructive possession, it's a felony!

(a few FFLs tells me that having a 80% lower does not count as owning
a pistol lower, it has to be completed as a pistol lower to be a pistol lower)
In other words: don't have an uncompleted AR pistol AND an AR rifle
in your possession.

You can be charged with constructive possession by having a rifle lower and a pistol upper,
they don't even need to be attached. I went to several FFLs when I was planing an AR pistol,
and I was told the same story several times... it was really annoying but they were looking
out for me. CA DOJ simply do not like SBRs.

[RazzB7]

Before you buy your pistol upper.. make sure you don't get yourself
into big trouble by triggering constructive possession, it's a felony!

*don't have any AR rifle lowers in possession (if you have a rifle lower, please
do not buy a pistol upper)
or
*have an AR pistol lower in possession
(a few FFLs tells me that having a 80% lower does not count as owning
a pistol lower, it has to be completed as a pistol lower to be a pistol lower)

You can be charged with constructive possession by having a rifle lower and a pistol upper, they don't even need to be attached. I went to several FFLs when I was building my pistol, and I was told the same story several times... it was really annoying but they were looking out for me. CA DOJ simply do not like SBRs.

Are you saying I can't have an AR pistol and an AR rifle? Or are you saying don't have an uncompleted AR pistol AND an AR rifle?

[CSI304]

Are you saying I can't have an AR pistol and an AR rifle? Or are you saying don't have an uncompleted AR pistol AND an AR rifle?

don't have an uncompleted AR pistol AND an AR rifle.

[bwiese]

(a few FFLs tells me that having a 80% lower does not count as owning
a pistol lower, it has to be completed as a pistol lower to be a pistol lower)

In other words: don't have an uncompleted AR pistol AND an AR rifle
in your possession.

You can be charged with constructive possession by having a rifle lower and a pistol upper, they don't even need to be attached. I went to several FFLs when I was planing an AR pistol, and I was told the same story several times... it was really annoying but they were looking out for me. CA DOJ simply do not like SBRs.

This is not the DOJ. They don't get blame for enforcing a law on the books already.

'Constructive possession' phrasing is codified in the 12020(c) definitions of SBR and SBS guns. Basically, if you have ownership & control of the separated parts - even though unassembed and widely separated in different locations - and also do not have alternate 'lenity outcomes' for all parts such that all parts can go into legal builds, you're likely in violation. The phrasing is very broad.

BTW, if I had an AR pistol only and no other lowers or rifles, I would not own any buttstocks (A2, CAR/M4, etc.) either.

[repubconserv]

don't have an uncompleted AR pistol AND an AR rifle.

Say you have one completed AR pistol and one completed AR rifle, and the rifle has an extra upper laying around. legal?

New question: you have one completed AR pistol and one completed AR rifle, and the rifle has an extra stock laying around. legal?