Everyman Competition

[WINGEDSWORD]

What I would like to see and have some sponsors get behind, is a pistol competition that limits the pistol to a nearly stock pistol, allowing only a trigger job and ramp/throat. Get rid of these race guns and other custom guns. Make it a competition all about the skill of the shooter, rather than how fat his wallet is and with reasonable entry fees. Something the working man can enjoy without having to compete with the rich boys and the professional
shooters.

[IPSICK]

Isn't this what USPSA Production and IDPA SSP division are all about?

AFAIK, Dave Sevigny's Glock is mostly stock save a trigger job on stock parts and sights upgrade.

[bsim]

Yup. A stock P226 does not compete against the spendy race guns. Totally different classes.

Biggest problem with SCAS, USPSA, IPSC, IDPA is making people aware of this.

[kmca]

Don't forget single stack. You didn't ask but, USPSA revolver is a pretty "out of the box" division.

[JTROKS]

Production guns aren't competing against raceguns.

http://www.uspsa.org/rules/2010HandgunRulesProof3web.pdf

Go to page 77.

Although production class was meant for basic pistols, There will be out of the box pistols that meets production class, but they have an advantage over other guns. For example, Witness Limited Pro 9x19, P226 X-Five All Around, Witness Elite Stock.

[esskay]

All of the major pistol competitions have different classifications to deal with this exact issue. As noted by others, different types of equipment places you in different divisions.

So someone with a stock Glock with 10 round magazines does not compete against someone running a custom STI with 20 round magazines.

It is a level playing field. Plus you really can't buy skill in these types of games. The better shooter will always come out on top.

Try shooting Production or Single Stack. You'll like it. Just keep an open mind and enjoy yourself.

[MossbergMan]

Like the others posted....IDPA and USPSA has virtural stock gun divisions. Their rules and specs are listed online, visit the sites and see what division your stock gun fits in.

What's wrong with shooting with a professional shooter? Other than them probably winning their class, you can pick their brains, watch their technques and generally learn something. I really enjoy watching a pro shoot.Sure they beat me, but they practice more than I do....so it's not their fault they are better, it's mine.
If they are better than you, you have a goal to work towards, but don't bash the pros for their dedication to their sport. They didn't start as a sponsored pro I assure you.

You don't have to be competing head to head with $4K limited or open class guns. Forget trying to reinvent the wheel and start shooting IDPA or Production in USPSA (or whatever division your gun fits in). I love the Single Stack USPSA division and Production allows me to shoot my Glocks. IDPA: SSP. ESP and CDP covers what I want to shoot. I'm sure SSR and ESR are in my future.

[zfields]

everyone else said it. Production class.

Have you even read the USPSA/IDPA rule books?

[JTROKS]

If you go to an USPSA or IDPA club match you will often see someone shooting production class with an out of the box Glock, Para LDA, CZ, Witness, S&W, SA XD, etc., beating guys with $3K+ custom raceguns. Don't worry about the equipment, just get a reliable, accurate piece that you're comfortable with and have some fun. Driving raceguns is like formula one racing. It's for the folks that can afford all that stuff to go for speed, they have fun building the guns and tweaking it to handle faster with their personal preference.

[mif_slim]

JTROk is right on. I've seen many stock gun whip raceguns butt bad. It's not the equipment, it's the person behind it.

[icedevil]

What I would like to see and have some sponsors get behind, is a pistol competition that limits the pistol to a nearly stock pistol, allowing only a trigger job and ramp/throat. Get rid of these race guns and other custom guns. Make it a competition all about the skill of the shooter, rather than how fat his wallet is and with reasonable entry fees. Something the working man can enjoy without having to compete with the rich boys and the professional
shooters.

What I want to see is a pistol competition that limits the amount of matches you can shoot per month and the number of rounds you can shoot per year. The really serious and competitive guys shoot every week and many of them shoot 25k+ per year. I just don't have the time to shoot that much. While we're at it, let's limit the amount of dry fire practice that can be done because I am just too damn lazy and find it too boring to do much of it. All sarcasm aside (I hope that came through), the action pistol games really are about the skill of the shooter. As has already been pointed out, the equipment is fun to tinker with, but it isn't what makes someone a good shooter and it isn't necessary to be successful in these games.

[What Just Happened?]

And if you look at the times posted for the highlevel competitions, the raceguns are only a couple seconds ahead of the production class.

Just goes to show you that it's not the gun, but the nut pulling the trigger.