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  • #31
    tbhracing
    Banned
    • Oct 2008
    • 5523

    And dont forget the S&W's failures with the CHP purchase-

    CHP's new handguns all must be retrofitted

    In two instances, the same key part broke, making guns useless.

    By Andrew McIntosh - Bee Staff Writer
    Published 12:00 am PDT Wednesday, March 21, 2007
    Story appeared in MAIN NEWS section, Page A13

    The California Highway Patrol is replacing a key metal part on 3,000 new pistols it purchased from Smith & Wesson after the component in two of the new guns broke, rendering them useless.

    The sear catch on the Smith & Wesson 4006TSW pistol is being replaced as a precautionary measure in all of the guns delivered to the CHP since last summer under a 9,736-pistol, multiyear contract, CHP spokeswoman Fran Clader confirmed.

    The CHP's pistol purchase came under political fire last fall after Senate Majority Leader Gloria Romero, D-Los Angeles, criticized agency purchasing practices that eliminated competitive bidding on the pistols as well as on other major equipment deals.

    On Tuesday, Romero called discovery of defective parts in the brand new guns an outrage. "This illustrates and underscores the problems that can occur when a contract is let in the dark of night without any public bidding or scrutiny," she said.

    A sear is a key catch in the pistol's firing system that holds the hammer cocked or half-cocked. If it fails, the pistol's firing pin cannot operate and the gun can't shoot, according to CHP spokeswoman Jaime Coffee.

    Coffee said the CHP and Smith & Wesson agreed to replace the parts after two recent incidents in which hairline cracks caused the sear to break. One weapon assigned to a Southern California officer malfunctioned during a monthly practice shoot after a piece of the sear broke off.

    The second failure involved a sear that fractured during a weapons training session for a cadet at the CHP Academy in West Sacramento, Coffee said. No one was hurt in either incident.

    The 4006TSW is an older model of police pistol that Smith & Wesson made under a special order for the CHP. However, some smaller city and county police forces also use them, including the Lancaster County sheriff's force in Lincoln, Neb.

    The CHP pistols are being returned to CHP gunsmiths, who will replace the parts with assistance from Smith & Wesson. The pistols remain under warranty, so the parts are being provided for free, Clader said.

    Neither Clader nor Elizabeth A. Sharp, a Smith & Wesson vice president of investor relations, would identify the supplier of the defective sear catch.
    In a written statement, Sharp noted that no pistols or parts failed "in the line of duty."

    "We have implemented corrective action with our supplier, and we are proactively and pre-emptively replacing the sear on all 3,000 units," her statement said. Clader declined to let a reporter speak to a CHP gunsmith, saying, "We are pleased with Smith & Wesson's response."

    Sear failures are not the first problems with the CHP's new weapons.
    CHP documents obtained under the Public Records Act show that by October agency gunsmiths had rejected 31 of a first batch of new Smith & Wesson 4006TSW pistols for defects.

    Seven of those guns were repaired and returned to service by Oct. 26, the CHP reports show.

    Another two dozen guns had to be repaired after failing initial quality control inspections following their removal from shipping crates, according to the reports.

    Clader characterized the volume of problematic new guns as low and said that officers like them.

    The California Association of Highway Patrolmen did not return calls seeking comment.

    Last fall, legislators cited the $5.3 million Smith & Wesson deal in calling for a full state audit into CHP contracting practices.

    Two rival pistol makers, SigArms and Glock, said the pistol purchase was riddled with irregularities after Bee reports raised questions about the deals.

    In March 2006, the CHP called for bids on new pistols but restricted them to a single Smith & Wesson gun: the 4006TSW.

    SigArms complained to Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger that the deal violated state contract rules requiring competitive bidding on big state purchases.
    A Sacramento Superior Court judge refused to issue a restraining order to halt deliveries and the company dropped its case.

    In defending its deal, the CHP argued that its stock of older pistols was so depleted that it didn't have time for complete gun evaluation and competitive bidding.

    It also said the 4006TSW, almost identical to its older pistol, would not require officer training.

    Evidence subsequently emerged that contradicted those claims: The CHP was selling guns to retiring officers even while it complained about shortages; other states that bought SigArms pistols said they required far less training than the CHP claimed.

    http://www.sacbee.com/101/story/141412.html
    Last edited by tbhracing; 08-10-2011, 6:24 PM.

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    • #32
      BigDogatPlay
      Calguns Addict
      • Jun 2007
      • 7362

      +1 on the info above being good. There is so much more that goes into the purchasing decision than "what's the best gun".

      There was also, allegedly, some internal pushing as well to "stay with S&W". Whether that was right or wrong, who knows.
      -- Rifle, Pistol, Shotgun

      Not a lawyer, just a former LEO proud to have served.

      Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. -- James Madison

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      • #33
        WWDHD?
        Veteran Member
        • Jul 2010
        • 2684

        CA Park & Rec, DMV, Lottery agents carry guns? WTH is that about? Off topic I know, but come on.
        How about the State Overdue Library book strike force and the Ice Cream truck inspectors, what kind of heat are they packing?
        NRA & CRPA member
        semi-docile tax payer
        amateur survivalist

        Nolite te bastardes carborundorum!

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        • #34
          762.DEFENSE
          Calguns Addict
          • Aug 2010
          • 6314

          Originally posted by tbhracing
          Some history for you...



          I'd rather carry the Sig myself.

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          • #35
            Apec
            Senior Member
            • Jul 2011
            • 1363

            Well, if only I could get a Sig 229 NIB for 599$, not including DROS/Tax.
            WTB:
            Emerson SOCFK-A

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            • #36
              Rm7pr
              Member
              • Aug 2011
              • 292

              I didn't see any mention of the CHP officer dropping his mag in the articles.

              There's other pictures of this fight floating around. One of them shows the perp behind the CHP Officer making a grab at the Chippie's pistol. The pistol's mag well is facing the camera and looks empty.

              BTY been carrying mine for over 8 years and never had a malfunction (knock on wood). Although I prefer Glocks, this is a great all day everyday gun.

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              • #37
                Swift Justice
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2009
                • 600

                Originally posted by WWDHD?
                CA Park & Rec, DMV, Lottery agents carry guns? WTH is that about? Off topic I know, but come on.
                How about the State Overdue Library book strike force and the Ice Cream truck inspectors, what kind of heat are they packing?
                Various State agencies are charged with enforcing various state laws. Some of those agencies have been granted peace officer status through the Penal code - some are allowed to carry, some are not. An agency has to go through a long process of justification and get someone to actually sponsor a bill to change the penal code to get them peace officer status. Having peace officer status not only gets you weapon carrying ability, but most importantly, the ability to make arrests, procure search warrants and execute searches, etc.

                In the case of DMV (another place where I have worked), they have around 350 investigators with peace officer status (weapon carrying) who do a variety of investigations from vehicle theft/chop shops with CHP/local law enforcement, undercover operations to find the same, undercover operations against dealers or salespersons, regular investigations against dealers and salespersons, investigations against trucking companies (mostly for dodging vehicle license and use fees), etc.

                They very rarely use their weapons, but have them in case they need them.
                Slow justice is no justice.

                I was shooting a Glock when shooting a Glock wasn't cool.

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                • #38
                  tbhracing
                  Banned
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 5523

                  Originally posted by WWDHD?
                  CA Park & Rec, DMV, Lottery agents carry guns? WTH is that about? Off topic I know, but come on.
                  How about the State Overdue Library book strike force and the Ice Cream truck inspectors, what kind of heat are they packing?
                  CA Park and Rec has POST trained Peace Officers at various locations- Califoirnia State Parks Public Safety



                  California Lottery Investigators are full level POST Peace Officers. Do you really think there is no crime or fraud in one of the biggest lottery games in the nation? LINK- http://jobs.spb.ca.gov/wvpos/more_info.cfm?recno=461636

                  WWDHD: Just a suggestion- If youre going to come in here and ask ignorant questions due to not having any idea how a system works, dont act like an immature jackass.

                  Sorry, I just hate idiots that spout off their big mouth trying to be funny when they have no idea or knowledge on a subject.

                  Last edited by tbhracing; 08-11-2011, 10:59 AM.

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                  • #39
                    Mike-4
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2004
                    • 792

                    Bunch of FUD being spread about the reliability of the 4006TSW. While I prefer Glocks too, the 4006 and 4006TSW have never malfunctioned in my 21 years carrying it. As for reported malfunctions, name a firearm mfg that hasn't had an issue with there pistol at one time or another. I own them all, Sig 229, HK's, Glocks, Beretta and am happy with the Smith. The 3rd Gen Smith is just as reliable as anything out there, better than most. For a duty gun, it is the softest shooting 40 S&W I've shot bar none. After thousands of rounds, it has yet to fail me.

                    Originally posted by Rm7pr
                    I didn't see any mention of the CHP officer dropping his mag in the articles.

                    There's other pictures of this fight floating around. One of them shows the /perp behind the CHP Officer making a grab at the Chippie's pistol. The pistol's mag well is facing the camera and looks empty.

                    BTY been carrying mine for over 8 years and never had a malfunction (knock on wood). Although I prefer Glocks, this is a great all day everyday gun.
                    NRA Benefactor Member

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                    • #40
                      jmzhwells
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2008
                      • 1111

                      Sig didn't offer the warranty of the SW either. Didnt offer the stainless w/ the SRT either, which the SW is basically.
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                      My staff is now at 10 beers, and has a tactical red lgt ont it, and is being ttached to me by a single point sling

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                      • #41
                        tbhracing
                        Banned
                        • Oct 2008
                        • 5523

                        Sig did not offer a warranty? I seriously question that.

                        Sorry fan boys, to me the S&W is low end. The state of California usually goes "low bid" and thats probably why they went with S&W for the first contract. Now that they were tied to the Smiths, they simply did not want to change.

                        Old school police and fire hate change, especially the CHP. Thats why they are still wearing wool pants oday- it was good enough for 40+ years, why change?

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