help an ignorant fool?

[aplinker]

My FFL said he would not accept a Ruger Security Six from out of state because it is simply not on the DOJ roster of approved handguns, and that changing springs/action does not change the fact that it is still a Security Six, and not on the DOJ roster.

Maybe my FFL is a troll, but what he said seemed to make sense.

It does change the fact that it's no longer a double-action revolver. The law specifically removes the need for listing single-action revolvers from the safe list.

If you can't understand this concept you shouldn't own a gun.

The law is the law. Single-action revolvers, REGARDLESS OF THE MAKE AND MODEL, are exempt from the certified list and can be purchased from anywhere and anyone.

Whether or not this guy is a troll, it's still useful information for others to see. If in responding to him other people see something they were unaware of, then the board has served its purpose.

All of us answering are here as firearms enthusiasts looking to educate and be educated, not necessarily in that order. That we have to repeatedly explain something just pounds the message home to people who read this that aren't trolls.

[bwiese]

however.... If he removes the correct spring the double action becomes a single action and it should be ok for transfer. (correct me if I'm wrong guys)
once its DROS'd to you you can stick the spring back in.

I am not sure this is readily possible on such a Ruger action.

Traditional S&Ws, yes, removal of DA sear can render gun into single-action status.

[fast318]

Hey "moo"

Your FFL is right you cannot receive a non-rostered handgun from out of state or even shipped to your FFL within this state, by doing so it then becomes a Dealer Sale not a PPT.

Correct me if I am wrong guys.

[aplinker]

Hey "moo"

Your FFL is right you cannot receive a non-rostered handgun from out of state or even shipped to your FFL within this state, by doing so it then becomes a Dealer Sale not a PPT.

Correct me if I am wrong guys.

You cannot receive an out of state double action revolver that's not listed. However, if it were converted to single action it would be exempt from the safe list. Please read through before posting. We've explained more than once.

[fast318]

Apparently you did not read my reply from beggining to end?

You cannot receive an out of state double action revolver that's not listed. However, if it were converted to single action it would be exempt from the safe list. Please read through before posting. We've explained more than once.

[pepsi2451]

Hey "moo"

Your FFL is right you cannot receive a non-rostered handgun from out of state or even shipped to your FFL within this state, by doing so it then becomes a Dealer Sale not a PPT.

Correct me if I am wrong guys.

Apparently you did not read my reply from beggining to end?

What he was saying is a single action revolver can be sold by a dealer as it is not required to be on the roster.

[fast318]

I understand that, but the current state that the FFL knows the weapon to be (double-action) is not on the Roster and the same rules would apply if the weapon was being shipped within the state.

[bwiese]

but the current state that the FFL knows the weapon to be (double-action) is not on the Roster and the same rules would apply if the weapon was being shipped within the state.

If the gun is converted to SA before crossing the border into Calif to the FFL, that's all that's required.

An FFL could buy a raft full of nonexempt S&W DA revolvers within CA, remove the DA sear, put them in his sale inventory for resale to Californians as exempt single actions. The buyers could then revert the status to double-action by dropping in the DA sear once they're outta the shop after accepting delivery after the 10 day wait. For the person to legally attempt to buy such a gun, it needs to be a SA one microsecond before DROS/4473 beigns, until one microsecond after delivery is accomplished.

There is ZERO inferrable 'original design status' or 'future design status' regarding exempt vs nonexempt guns and their operational status (dimensoionally compliant single action vs double action, dimensoionally compliant single shot vs multiple shot).

[moo]

I wanted a double (not single) action revolver.

Even if the seller in Arizona could have modified the Security Six to make it single action (he couldn't), and my FFL gone along with that (he wouldn't), I would have wound up with a single action revolver.

Besides recreational shooting, I am also considering a revolver for self defense, and a single action revolver seems to be a poor choice for self-defense.

As for converting the Security Six back to double action, I wouldn't be comfortable defending myself with a gun that had been modified to slip through some loophole in the law. So, I'm getting a GP100, instead.

That is my personal choice based on my current comfort level. I do respect the knowledge and experience of calguns.net members. Thanks for sharing some of it with me.

Regards,

Moo

[paul0660]

I'm getting a GP100

be sure to post back and start a long winded discussion about how to get it from your car to the range.

[aplinker]

I wanted a double (not single) action revolver.

Even if the seller in Arizona could have modified the Security Six to make it single action (he couldn't), and my FFL gone along with that (he wouldn't), I would have wound up with a single action revolver.

Besides recreational shooting, I am also considering a revolver for self defense, and a single action revolver seems to be a poor choice for self-defense.

As for converting the Security Six back to double action, I wouldn't be comfortable defending myself with a gun that had been modified to slip through some loophole in the law. So, I'm getting a GP100, instead.

That is my personal choice based on my current comfort level. I do respect the knowledge and experience of calguns.net members. Thanks for sharing some of it with me.

Regards,

Moo

That's fine, each of us has to do what we can and are comfortable with.

However, it seems you're still not understanding that as soon as you picked up the 100% legal "single-action Security Six," you could have immediately converted it back to a double-action revolver and all of this would be 100% legal.

There are other issues, from information provided by others, such as the difficulty of doing this with a Ruger as opposed to a Smith, finding a willing seller and FFL, etc.

[moo]

That's fine, each of us has to do what we can and are comfortable with.

However, it seems you're still not understanding that as soon as you picked up the 100% legal "single-action Security Six," you could have immediately converted it back to a double-action revolver and all of this would be 100% legal.

I understand that. Perhaps a jury would understand that too, but I'd rather not put myself in a position to find out.

Regards,

Moo

[aplinker]

I understand that. Perhaps a jury would understand that too, but I'd rather not put myself in a position to find out.

Regards,

Moo

A jury to convict you of following the law. Precisely what would they convict you of? Law-abiding?

Seriously, if this is the level of paranoia and fear you're fostering, then what are you buying a gun to defend? It seems as though you've already laid down and given up.

[Res]

The buyers could then revert the status to double-action by dropping in the DA sear once they're outta the shop after accepting delivery after the 10 day wait. For the person to legally attempt to buy such a gun, it needs to be a SA one microsecond before DROS/4473 beigns, until one microsecond after delivery is accomplished.

So it would be okay for the dealer to give you the DA sear when you receive your firearm? Just have it in the case with the lock and fired shell casing

[KenpoProfessor]

I wanted a double (not single) action revolver.

Even if the seller in Arizona could have modified the Security Six to make it single action (he couldn't), and my FFL gone along with that (he wouldn't), I would have wound up with a single action revolver.

Besides recreational shooting, I am also considering a revolver for self defense, and a single action revolver seems to be a poor choice for self-defense.

As for converting the Security Six back to double action, I wouldn't be comfortable defending myself with a gun that had been modified to slip through some loophole in the law. So, I'm getting a GP100, instead.

That is my personal choice based on my current comfort level. I do respect the knowledge and experience of calguns.net members. Thanks for sharing some of it with me.

Regards,

Moo

If you people can't see it, this person is a total Bradyite Koolaid Klub member. He/she is now trolling you seriously and you're taking the bait.

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde