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  • #16
    elenius
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2007
    • 767

    A few great things about glocks

    1) The low bore axis -- This makes "pointing" with it very natural and greatly reduces recoil! I don't know of any other gun that has a lower bore axis, and I don't think it can be done without a striker mechanism (a hammer takes more vertical space).

    2) The grip angle -- It is different if you've shot a lot of other pistols, but at least for me, switching between a glock and a 1911 is no problem, once you get used to both. The good thing about the glock grip angle is that because it cants your hands more forward, it also reduces recoil.

    3) The polymer frame -- This makes the gun light, which is great for carrying it, and it also reduced recoil, because the frame flexes a bit instead of giving a sharp jolt to your hand.

    4) They're cheap.

    5) There is lots of aftermarket stuff for them.

    6) They're proven and reliable.

    No, I don't work for glock


    ETA: All glocks deserve better sights though! These guys have all the good options: http://www.customglock.com/

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    • #17
      bwiese
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Oct 2005
      • 27621

      You can often find SigPros in 357/40 on sale.

      I had the slight older non-railed SigPro 2340 in 357Sig and enjoyed it. Accurate and reliable. Dunno why I sold it, shoulda kept it. Bought it for $375 at Trader's in 1999.

      Reliability of a SigPro should not be your concern. (In fact, I daresay the SigPros in 40S&W are probably more reliable than Glocks in 40S&W, the "Glock 40" is not one of their better guns due to it being a fast conversion of a 9mm.)

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      • #18
        The SoCal Gunner
        Veteran Member
        • May 2006
        • 3319

        Originally posted by bwiese
        You can often find SigPros in 357/40 on sale.
        There was a 2022 at Turners that just dropped down to $400. Went there to buy it but looks like it was sold, or being held for one of the employees to buy.

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        • #19
          tyrist
          Veteran Member
          • Jun 2007
          • 4564

          The glock 19 is the way to go. It is lighweight and small but still has a 4 inch barrell. However since you cannot purchase the 15 round magazines why not get the 23 and have 10 rounds of .40 S&W. I find the G23 to be fast out of the holster and on target.

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          • #20
            Corbin Dallas
            CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
            • May 2006
            • 6263

            Originally posted by elenius
            1) The low bore axis -- This makes "pointing" with it very natural and greatly reduces recoil! I don't know of any other gun that has a lower bore axis, and I don't think it can be done without a striker mechanism (a hammer takes more vertical space).

            2) The grip angle -- It is different if you've shot a lot of other pistols, but at least for me, switching between a glock and a 1911 is no problem, once you get used to both. The good thing about the glock grip angle is that because it cants your hands more forward, it also reduces recoil.

            3) The polymer frame -- This makes the gun light, which is great for carrying it, and it also reduced recoil, because the frame flexes a bit instead of giving a sharp jolt to your hand.

            4) They're cheap.

            5) There is lots of aftermarket stuff for them.

            6) They're proven and reliable.

            No, I don't work for glock

            ETA: All glocks deserve better sights though! These guys have all the good options: http://www.customglock.com/
            These are all the reasons I own glocks, however I am astonished that HK was not mentioned.

            The P2000 is a FINE weapon and I LOVE the ambi release, however I am a Glock fan, so I'll stick with what I know and shoot well.
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            • #21
              Exiledviking
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2005
              • 1460

              I wouldn't worry too much about reliability with the SIG. It is used by the French police and as far as I know they haven't had any issues with them.
              Every person that I have encountered with one simply loved it.

              OTOH, it might be nice to have something a little different in the Glock 19. Out of all the Glocks the 19 is my favorite.
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              • #22
                jmancini
                Member
                • Aug 2007
                • 235

                Originally posted by elenius
                1) The low bore axis -- This makes "pointing" with it very natural and greatly reduces recoil! I don't know of any other gun that has a lower bore axis, and I don't think it can be done without a striker mechanism (a hammer takes more vertical space).
                I love my Glock, but there is a lower bore access (and better grip angle) option: the Steyr M9-A1
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                • #23
                  elenius
                  Senior Member
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 767

                  Originally posted by jmancini
                  I love my Glock, but there is a lower bore access (and better grip angle) option: the Steyr M9-A1
                  Cool. Never heard of it before. It sure is ugly though

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                  • #24
                    glockk9mm
                    Senior Member
                    • Jun 2006
                    • 629

                    I can only speak for glock , havent owned a sig. But the glock (19) has been very reliable for me, over 1k rounds without problems.

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                    • #25
                      Corbin Dallas
                      CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
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                      • May 2006
                      • 6263

                      Originally posted by elenius
                      Cool. Never heard of it before. It sure is ugly though
                      Another Gaston Glock creation. I have a M40A1 and love it. Better built in my opinion over glock, but the grip is too small for my hands.
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                      WTB the following - in San Diego
                      --Steyr M357A1 357SIG
                      --Five Seven IOM (round trigger guard)

                      Never forget - השואה... לעולם לא עוד.

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                      • #26
                        apbrian112
                        Veteran Member
                        • Jul 2007
                        • 3279

                        another option is a SA xd9 or xd40 (10 rnds either way), it has the same grip angle of a 1911 and for me has been ultra-reliable. i use a xd9 service (4") for uspsa and it has performed flawlessly. if you're into modding, the aftermarket support for the xd has grown although nowhere near the support of glock. i love mine and if anything breaks, SA has a lifetime warranty. just another option...
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                        • #27
                          taloft
                          Well used Member
                          CGN Contributor
                          • Sep 2002
                          • 2696

                          I have the Sig pro 2009. It is the same as the new sp2022 except my rail is a proprietary design. It is very accurate, easy to clean, and reliable. I like it very much.

                          That being said, there are better carry options not the least of which is the G19. Springfield has come out with a really small 3" sub-compact in its XD line. Since it doesn't have the track record that the glocks do, it is too early to tell if this is going to be a winner, yet.

                          Since the pro's and con's are pretty similar, I would go with what is comfortable in your hand. If it fits you well, you'll shoot better and be more inclined to practice.
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                          • #28
                            TannerBoyl
                            Member
                            • Apr 2005
                            • 183

                            Either pistol would be a great choice.

                            I am a SIG guy and have owned my SP2022 in 9mm for about a year now. I've probably only put 500 rounds through it, but I've never had any issues. The trigger on my SIG Pro is better than most of my other SIGs (with exception to my Freakishly Awesome P220R Carry).

                            The SP2022 seems to fit my hand better than any other SIG. The controls are very well placed. It did take me a little time to get used to the position of the decocker and the slide release. Eventually, it became second nature.

                            I am a firm believer that Glocks are excellent pistols. My first pistol was a Glock and I'll never get rid of it! The G19 is a fine example of Glock. If you're not adverse to its ergonomics, it would be an excellent choice! I believe that torture test after torture test have yet to really show how durable it is. Then again, if you're like 99.9% of the people out there, you'll never subject your pistol to being frozen, burried in various materials, soaked in various liquids and thrown from great heights. I suppose there is some peace of mind from knowing that your pistol can last through all that, then again it could just be brand-pride masqurading as peace of mind.

                            I do know that you're less likely to shoot a gun you're not comfortable with. Get either one and run a couple of thousand rounds through it until you're good and comfortable with it!

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                            • #29
                              timmyb21
                              Senior Member
                              • Apr 2007
                              • 1814

                              Originally posted by LTS15D
                              the sp2022 is a fantastic gun. i love everything about it.

                              it feels great, never jams, shoots all kinds of ammo.

                              sig is a fantastic company backing an excellent product. 100% thumbs up for the sp2022


                              what exactly are you worried about with reliability? something specific with this model, or just polymer framed pistols in general?
                              Man this thing got a lot of replies! Yes, I've already narrowed it down to either the glock or the sig. The glock is the small block chevy of pistols, you can pretty much find parts on the side of the road. I am a sig guy, and I really don't want to rule it out. No one has a sigpro to try out around her, but the glock is plentiful. I'm sticking with 9mm just becuase of cost and availability. Nothing specific, just not a lot of civilians talk about owning them. Thanks for all the input guys, I do appreciate it.
                              Last edited by timmyb21; 09-17-2007, 7:48 PM.
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