Does exact model number matter on DOJ list?

[bw762308]

I'm looking for a 6" Python in stainless and I found a bright stainless one on Gunbroker for sale. However this is the model number on the DOJ list:

I3060CS Python (silver) / Stainless Steel 6" barrel

The one I found for sale is model # I3061CS, also in stainless with a 6" barrel. From what I can tell the only difference between the two is that the DOJ approved one has a brushed stainless finish, while #I3061CS has a bright(polished) stainless finish. Functionally they are the exact same.

I know there is an exception allowed when the DOJ approved gun just differs in finish, but if the model number denotes a different finish does the exception not apply?

Sorry if this has been discussed before but my search fu must be weak.

[Librarian]

Yes, the exact number matters - 60 is not equal to 61.

Your comparison of the two models is probably correct, but Colt still must pay to put the 'sibling' model on the Roster; they can avoid the testing, but not the listing and fee.

[morrcarr67]

Single Shot Exempt it. That will show them.

[bw762308]

morrcarr67: how do you single shot a revolver. I guess you are kidding.
Librarian: i'm sure you are right about this. Too bad.

[morrcarr67]

I mean single ACTION exempt it. Sorry I had only one cup of coffee when I wrote that.

[bw762308]

Single action exempt it? first i've heard of this. I'll have to research this further, but it sounds promising. I wonder if Valkyrie can do this.

[Fishslayer]

Single Shot Exempt it. That will show them.

Actually, there is a Single Action exemption. You can fiddle with the firing mechanism to make it SA only. Then mod it after delivery.

Good luck getting the seller to do that.

EDIT: Drat! Too slow again.

[bwiese]

Single Shot Exempt it. That will show them.

NO. DO NOT.

Single-shot pistol exemption is applicable to PISTOLS, not revolvers.

Use the single-action revolver exemption for revolvers (5 or more round capacity, 3" min bbl length, 7.5" overall length). This saves not only drama surrounding pistol v. revolver definitional issues, but also can save grief about barrel extensions and marking up a nice gun, given the shorter lengths required for revolvers.

S&W revolvers can achieve single-action revolver status by removing the DA sear.

Remember that 'single-action revolver' status requires TWO SEPARATE decoupled actions to fire the gun: an initial cocking action, and then a separate pull of the trigger to fire.

It is important to note that 'single-action revolver' status for 12133PC Roster exemption does NOT mean "it must look like a cowboy gun". It only means that the cocking and firing operations must be separate and decoupled (requiring two separate user actions/movements), and the gun must be dimensionally compliant per above specs.

I've been told by someone I trust that this DA-sear-removal mod applies to Colt Pythons too. I have not verified this. I do not know if it applies to other Colts (Diamondback, King Cobra/Anaconda, etc.) I do not know what other revolvers it might work [or not work] on either (Ruger DA wheelguns of various generations, Dan Wesson classic revolvers, Korths, etc.)

[bline01]

yes it does matter...doj roster is specific to the model, model number, caliber, length, and oh yes, the finish lol....and it sucks!

[LBDamned]

typically yes... however, a while back I purchased a Taurus 24/7 - what a cluster phuck that was!!! The roster only lists it as "24/7" but Taurus doesnt even make one with that model number - they are either 24/7 CA, Pro, OOS and now G2...

One would presume that the CA model is the one for CA - but the roster doesnt list it... and I didnt want the CA version anyway because it didnt have the features I liked... long story short my FFL finally acquired and sold the Pro to me (but it was a minor struggle and Taurus cust svc was little to no help).

I dont know what other handguns have this issue... but at least for this pistol the model number isnt as clear cut when it comes to DOJ Roster.

[morrcarr67]

Corrected in post 5

Actually, there is a Single Action exemption. You can fiddle with the firing mechanism to make it SA only. Then mod it after delivery.

Good luck getting the seller to do that.

EDIT: Drat! Too slow again.

NO. DO NOT.

Single-shot pistol exemption is applicable to PISTOLS, not revolvers.

Use the single-action revolver exemption for revolvers (5 or more round capacity, 3" min bbl length, 7.5" overall length). This saves not only drama surrounding pistol v. revolver definitional issues, but also can save grief about barrel extensions and marking up a nice gun, given the shorter lengths required for revolvers.

S&W revolvers can achieve single-action revolver status by removing the DA sear.

Remember that 'single-action revolver' status requires TWO SEPARATE decoupled actions to fire the gun: an initial cocking action, and then a separate pull of the trigger to fire.

It is important to note that 'single-action revolver' status for 12133PC Roster exemption does NOT mean "it must look like a cowboy gun". It only means that the cocking and firing operations must be separate and decoupled (requiring two separate user actions/movements), and the gun must be dimensionally compliant per above specs.

I've been told by someone I trust that this DA-sear-removal mod applies to Colt Pythons too. I have not verified this. I do not know if it applies to other Colts (Diamondback, King Cobra/Anaconda, etc.) I do not know what other revolvers it might work [or not work] on either (Ruger DA wheelguns of various generations, Dan Wesson classic revolvers, Korths, etc.)

I mean single ACTION exempt it. Sorry I had only one cup of coffee when I wrote that.