Single shot REVOLVER?

[Onlyincali]

Maybe a dumb questions....but what would it take to make a REVOLVER with a 5 inch barrel and 8 inch OVER ALL LENGTH(with handle)into a SINGLE SHOT configuration?

Is it even possible? I did read the single shot conversion thread but wasn't really able to find info on actual REVOLVERS.

I did see one thing that said any revolver with an OAL of more than 7 1/2 inches was good to go.... Anyone?

What if a snap cap was lightly TAC WELDED or even SUPER GLUED into all the openings except ONE? Leaving it with one opening, IE single shot? What else would have to be done?

Thanks!

[ke6guj]

because you need a 6" barrel minimum and 10.5" OAL for a dimensionally-compliant Single-shot pistol, your example wouldn't work to single-shot most revolvers. But "block all chambers but one" idea has been mentioned before.

[morrcarr67]

You don't do a "Single Shot" on a revolver.

You convert it to "Single Action".

12133. (a) The provisions of this chapter shall not apply to a single-action revolver that has at least a 5-cartridge capacity with a barrel length of not less than three inches, and meets any of the following specifications:
(1) Was originally manufactured prior to 1900 and is a curio or relic, as defined in Section 478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations.
(2) Has an overall length measured parallel to the barrel of at least 7 1/2 inches when the handle, frame or receiver, and barrel are assembled.
(3) Has an overall length measured parallel to the barrel of at least 7 1/2 inches when the handle, frame or receiver, and barrel are assembled and that is currently approved for importation into the United States pursuant to the provisions of paragraph (3) of subsection (d) of Section 925 of Title 18 of the United States Code.

Single Action revolvers that meets these specifications are exempt from needing to be on the roster.

[Cyc Wid It]

Hmmm I guess people tend to skip through the legal section, guess I'll add it to the Q/A.

[Onlyincali]

Yes, I read all of the following about 10 times.....maybe i'm retarded....but i'm still slightly confused. The way I read it is as follows. Please correct me if I'm wrong

If its OAL is more than 7 1/2 inches AND its a single action only, its exempt...Is that true? Meaning nothing more would have to be done to transfer it other than make it SINGLE ACTION?! How would that be listed on a DROS from the dealers side?

EDIT- What if the gun is BOTH single action AND double action? Is that still ok? I don't see anywhere where it has to be SINGLE ACTION ONLY..... Anyone?

The following is what I read in the Single Shot thread.
Section 1: Legal

12133. (a) The provisions of this chapter shall not apply to a
single-action revolver that has at least a 5-cartridge capacity
with a barrel length of not less than three inches, and meets
any of the following specifications:
(1) Was originally manufactured prior to 1900 and is a curio or
relic, as defined in Section 478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of
Federal Regulations.
(2) Has an overall length measured parallel to the barrel of at
least 71/2 inches when the handle, frame or receiver, and
barrel are assembled.
(3) Has an overall length measured parallel to the barrel of at
least 71/2 inches when the handle, frame or receiver, and
barrel are assembled and that is currently approved for
importation into the United States pursuant to the provisions
of paragraph (3) of subsection (d) of Section 925 of Title 18
of the United States Code.
(b) The provisions of this chapter shall not apply to a
single-shot pistol with a barrel length of not less than six
inches and that has an overall length of at least 101/2 inches
when the handle, frame or receiver, and barrel are assembled.

**note: anything not explicitly prohibited by the law is legal

[ke6guj]

Yes, I read all of the following about 10 times.....maybe i'm retarded....but i'm still slightly confused. The way I read it is as follows. Please correct me if I'm wrong

If its OAL is more than 7 1/2 inches AND its a single action only, its exempt...Is that true? Meaning nothing more would have to be done to transfer it other than make it SINGLE ACTION?! How would that be listed on a DROS from the dealers side?

it would be DROSed as an exempt single-action revolver

EDIT- What if the gun is BOTH single action AND double action? Is that still ok? I don't see anywhere where it has to be SINGLE ACTION ONLY..... Anyone?

if it is capable of double-action mode, then it isn't a single-action revolver. If you can cock the hammer by puling the trigger, it isn't single-action.

[morrcarr67]

Yes, I read all of the following about 10 times.....maybe i'm retarded....but i'm still slightly confused. The way I read it is as follows. Please correct me if I'm wrong

If its OAL is more than 7 1/2 inches AND its a single action only, its exempt...Is that true? YES Meaning nothing more would have to be done to transfer it other than make it SINGLE ACTION?! How would that be listed on a DROS from the dealers side? AS A SINGLE ACTION REVOLVER

EDIT- What if the gun is BOTH single action AND double action? Is that still ok? I don't see anywhere where it has to be SINGLE ACTION ONLY..... Anyone?

The following is what I read in the Single Shot thread.
Section 1: Legal

12133. (a) The provisions of this chapter shall not apply to a
single-action revolver that has at least a 5-cartridge capacity
with a barrel length of not less than three inches, and meets
any of the following specifications:
(1) Was originally manufactured prior to 1900 and is a curio or
relic, as defined in Section 478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of
Federal Regulations.
(2) Has an overall length measured parallel to the barrel of at
least 71/2 inches when the handle, frame or receiver, and
barrel are assembled.
(3) Has an overall length measured parallel to the barrel of at
least 71/2 inches when the handle, frame or receiver, and
barrel are assembled and that is currently approved for
importation into the United States pursuant to the provisions
of paragraph (3) of subsection (d) of Section 925 of Title 18
of the United States Code.
(b) The provisions of this chapter shall not apply to a
single-shot pistol with a barrel length of not less than six
inches and that has an overall length of at least 101/2 inches
when the handle, frame or receiver, and barrel are assembled.

**note: anything not explicitly prohibited by the law is legal

Not wanting to sound like a smart *****. But, have you been around guns long?

If it is a Double Action Revolver then it will always shot Single Action unless it is Double Action ONLY.

Read the law again. It doesn't say that this exemption is for guns that fire in both Double Action and Single Action.

So, this exemption is for guns that will ONLY FIRE IN SINGLE ACTION.

[Onlyincali]

I appriciate the reply, and I dont mean to sound like a smart a&% in return.....but there are guns that shoot double action ONLY.

In every thread I've ever read where someone asks "can you show me where it says its legal to do xyz?" the reply is ALWAYS, show me where it says it ISN'T LEGAL. A LOT of the rules that you guys follow are because the law DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY SAY xyz.

Thats why I asked. I'm not saying it is legal, but thats the reason I asked. It doesn't say SINGLE ACTION ONLY does it? A gun that is DOUBLE ACTION doesn't ALWAYS mean single action....does it? Just because a gun is DA doesnt mean its SA, and visa versa. The law i'm reading doesnt say anything about BOTH.


Again, I am NOT saying its ok, but thats why i'm ASKING if its ok to transfer the gun as a SA if its BOTH. Technically speaking....it IS SA....right?

[Cyc Wid It]

No, it's not. I think by definition, single action excludes double action. Double action guns can shoot in single action, but single actions cannot shoot in double.

[morrcarr67]

I appriciate the reply, and I dont mean to sound like a smart a&% in return.....but there are guns that shoot double action ONLY.

In every thread I've ever read where someone asks "can you show me where it says its legal to do xyz?" the reply is ALWAYS, show me where it says it ISN'T LEGAL. A LOT of the rules that you guys follow are because the law DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY SAY xyz.

Thats why I asked. I'm not saying it is legal, but thats the reason I asked. It doesn't say SINGLE ACTION ONLY does it? A gun that is DOUBLE ACTION doesn't ALWAYS mean single action....does it? Just because a gun is DA doesnt mean its SA, and visa versa. The law i'm reading doesnt say anything about BOTH.


Again, I am NOT saying its ok, but thats why i'm ASKING if its ok to transfer the gun as a SA if its BOTH. Technically speaking....it IS SA....right?

Not wanting to sound like a smart *****. But, have you been around guns long?

If it is a Double Action Revolver then it will always shot Single Action unless it is Double Action ONLY.

Read the law again. It doesn't say that this exemption is for guns that fire in both Double Action and Single Action.

So, this exemption is for guns that will ONLY FIRE IN SINGLE ACTION.

I did bring this up in my post before.

A Double Action Revolver is always a Single Action Revolver UNLESS it says that it is a DOUBLE ACTION ONLY (DAO)

if it is capable of double-action mode, then it isn't a single-action revolver. If you can cock the hammer by puling the trigger, it isn't single-action.

ke6guj also told you that if it fires as a double action it can not be considered a single action.

Yes, I read all of the following about 10 times.....maybe i'm retarded....but i'm still slightly confused. The way I read it is as follows. Please correct me if I'm wrong

If its OAL is more than 7 1/2 inches AND its a single action only, its exempt...Is that true? Meaning nothing more would have to be done to transfer it other than make it SINGLE ACTION?! How would that be listed on a DROS from the dealers side?

EDIT- What if the gun is BOTH single action AND double action? Is that still ok? I don't see anywhere where it has to be SINGLE ACTION ONLY..... Anyone?

The following is what I read in the Single Shot thread.
Section 1: Legal

12133. (a) The provisions of this chapter shall not apply to a
single-action revolver that has at least a 5-cartridge capacity
with a barrel length of not less than three inches, and meets
any of the following specifications:
(1) Was originally manufactured prior to 1900 and is a curio or
relic, as defined in Section 478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of
Federal Regulations.
(2) Has an overall length measured parallel to the barrel of at
least 71/2 inches when the handle, frame or receiver, and
barrel are assembled.
(3) Has an overall length measured parallel to the barrel of at
least 71/2 inches when the handle, frame or receiver, and
barrel are assembled and that is currently approved for
importation into the United States pursuant to the provisions
of paragraph (3) of subsection (d) of Section 925 of Title 18
of the United States Code.
(b) The provisions of this chapter shall not apply to a
single-shot pistol with a barrel length of not less than six
inches and that has an overall length of at least 101/2 inches
when the handle, frame or receiver, and barrel are assembled.

**note: anything not explicitly prohibited by the law is legal

In your own post the law you quoted specifically states that this exemption is for a "Single Action Revolver".

I appreciate your questions. You can only learn by asking questions.

I also see how "If it's not illegal it's legal" could confuse you. In this case though you have apply this exemption only to what the law says you can:

12133. (a) The provisions of this chapter shall not apply to a single-action revolver, trying to apply this exemption to anything else is wrong.

[tonelar]

I appreciate the point that the law does not say "Single Action Only". However, a compentent gunsmith should be able to render a double action revolver into Single Action Only operation (for the purpose of a Roster Exemption).

[Onlyincali]

Gotcha. Thanks for the replies fellas.

How hard is it/how would one go about making a DA/SA revolver into a SA ONLY revolver? Is it something that could be reversed later?

Thanks!

[morrcarr67]

Gotcha. Thanks for the replies fellas.

How hard is it/how would one go about making a DA/SA revolver into a SA ONLY revolver? Is it something that could be reversed later?

Thanks!

It is not hard. I most cases it is done by replacing the double action sear with a single action sear.

This process should take about 15 minutes and is 100% reversible.

The hard part is finding the single action sear. In most cases they will need to be made by the 07 FFL doing the conversion.

[Cokebottle]

In every thread I've ever read where someone asks "can you show me where it says its legal to do xyz?" the reply is ALWAYS, show me where it says it ISN'T LEGAL. A LOT of the rules that you guys follow are because the law DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY SAY xyz.

And that still holds true.

To understand, go back to the creation of the roster.
Everyone was lobbying against it. The single shot/single action exemption was the legislature's concession to the SASS, who didn't want the roster messing with their "cowboy" guns.

So:

If it is not forbidden, it is legal.

It is forbidden by the roster.

The only time the law states what is legal is when it is an exemption to something normally illegal.

True again.
Several very specific conditions will meet the roster exemptions... two for purchase of a gun from dealer stock.

The effect of:

The only time the law states what is legal is when it is an exemption to something normally illegal.

is the converse of

If it is not forbidden, it is legal.

Once it is forbidden, EVERYTHING is illegal unless specifically permitted.

You shall stop at a red light < Going through a red light is illegal
You may proceed to make a right turn < exemption A
after making a complete stop < condition 1
when it is safe to proceed < condition 2
You may proceed to make a left turn < exemption B
from a one-way street onto a one-way street < exemption 1
after making a complete stop < condition 2
when it is safe to proceed < condition 3

Other exemptions may be added at any time. Many states are beginning to add exemptions that allow motorcyclists to proceed when safe after stopping if the signal appears to be malfunctioning.

[El Gato]

Rafael at getagun told menlast week about some chamber inserts that lock in with an Allen wrench.... To do exactly what you propose