DROs question.

[LTP90]

Boat registration works too especially when you miss placed your vehicle registration

[sanjosebmx]

My last couple purchases have been made with exactly what you have... DL with previous address, Car registration with current address, and HSC. You should be good to go.

me too, no problems with the DL and Reg.

[sanjosebmx]

This is what I have.....

DL that does not match my current address.
LEASE that has my current address...
And car registration that matches my current address..

You should be fine, call the store to make sure...

[LBDamned]

This is what I have.....

DL that does not match my current address.
LEASE that has my current address...
And car registration that matches my current address..

exactly what I use, no problems with three different dealers.

[jtmkinsd]

The auto registration works double duty on a handgun purchase. It satisfies the Federal requirement for alternate documentation from a government agency for residency when your current address is not on your ID. It also serves as secondary proof of residency for the California requirement. No other documentation is needed...unless the particular shop you go to has additional requirements/policy.

[LBDamned]

The auto registration works double duty on a handgun purchase. It satisfies the Federal requirement for alternate documentation from a government agency for residency when your current address is not on your ID. It also serves as secondary proof of residency for the California requirement. No other documentation is needed...unless the particular shop you go to has additional requirements/policy.

interesting... the two document thing must be common retailer requirements around here - all three I use required it.

*edit... I just re-read your post... if your ID does not have your current resident address, then a second document is going to be needed anyway - correct?

[jtmkinsd]

interesting... the two document thing must be common retailer requirements around here - all three I use required it.

*edit... I just re-read your post... if your ID does not have your current resident address, then a second document is going to be needed anyway - correct?

Yes...in the event the address on your ID is not current, you will need alternate documentation from a government agency with your current address. This is for the Federal requirement so it applies to long guns or handguns.

On the State level, CA requires a "secondary proof of residency" when purchasing a handgun. While this does not have to be issued from a government agency (utility bill, land-line phone bill, DMV papers, etc.) the auto registration you brought for the Federal requirement will also satisfy the CA requirement...so there is no need to mess with the extra paperwork. Those who still require you to bring extra paperwork are just operating under the "lets be abundantly overcautious" theory.

[LBDamned]

Yes...in the event the address on your ID is not current, you will need alternate documentation from a government agency with your current address. This is for the Federal requirement so it applies to long guns or handguns.

On the State level, CA requires a "secondary proof of residency" when purchasing a handgun. While this does not have to be issued from a government agency (utility bill, land-line phone bill, DMV papers, etc.) the auto registration you brought for the Federal requirement will also satisfy the CA requirement...so there is no need to mess with the extra paperwork. Those who still require you to bring extra paperwork are just operating under the "lets be abundantly overcautious" theory.

one of us is not understanding the other...

My ID has a PO Box (because its the only mailing address I use) - therefore I must provide proof a residency (I use car registration) and "second proof of residency" (utility bill, lease agreement, etc)... so two documents required (that's what I've always had to do and according to the way I understand your posts, this is accurate)...

OP has an old address on his ID, so he too would be required to provide two documents proving his residence... so it the case of thread topic - two documents of residency are required - no?

BTW, in the old days (not long ago actually) - the brown DMV card (with change of address) was accepted... the places I deal with no longer accept that - and as I understand it it's not legally allowed... which is why I use the two document thing...

[jtmkinsd]

one of us is not understanding the other...

My ID has a PO Box (because its the only mailing address I use) - therefore I must provide proof a residency (I use car registration) and "second proof of residency" (utility bill, lease agreement, etc)... so two documents required (that's what I've always had to do and according to the way I understand your posts, this is accurate)...

OP has an old address on his ID, so he too would be required to provide two documents proving his residence... so it the case of thread topic - two documents of residency are required - no?

BTW, in the old days (not long ago actually) - the brown DMV card (with change of address) was accepted... the places I deal with no longer accept that - and as I understand it it's not legally allowed... which is why I use the two document thing...

In both your and the OP's situation, only a DMV registration is needed...that's it...nothing more...nada...zip

Anyone requiring anything more is, as I said, acting out of overcautious fear.

First, CA law says nothing about the address on your license...the fact you have one establishes residency in CA. Federally, if your license address is not your current physical address, you must bring alternate documentation from a government agency.

Whether you have a P.O. box, or have moved so the actual address on your ID is not where you currently reside, you will need something from a government agency with your current address on it to satisfy the 4473 line 20b.

When buying a handgun, CA also requires a "secondary proof of residency". Your valid license...wrong address or not, is the primary proof of residency accepted by CA. The registration you brought to satisfy the Federal requirement can also serve as the secondary proof required by CA.

[LBDamned]

First, CA law says nothing about the address on your license...the fact you have one establishes residency in CA.

with all due respect, this is not true.

[well206]

I haven't had a DROS rejected, all OK when just using:

1. Driver's license with previous address (no change of address document)
2. Vehicle registration, with current address.

No other documents were required of me by the FFLs, three different ones, that I have dealt with.

[jtmkinsd]

with all due respect, this is not true.

Perhapse you could show me any CA PC which states the address must be current on your ID to be valid proof of residency.

When purchasing a firearm the primary proof of residency is the ID itself...wright address, wrong address, PO Box...whatever. If you think about it, how silly is it to require you to bring something from a government agency to prove your current address...and then turn around and say, "oh and do you have a phone bill too?"

When you are asked to bring something from a government agency with your current address on it, it is only to satisfy the Federal requirement for supporting documentation on line 20b of the 4473.

[LBDamned]

Perhapse you could show me any CA PC which states the address must be current on your ID to be valid proof of residency.

When purchasing a firearm the primary proof of residency is the ID itself...wright address, wrong address, PO Box...whatever. If you think about it, how silly is it to require you to bring something from a government agency to prove your current address...and then turn around and say, "oh and do you have a phone bill too?"

When you are asked to bring something from a government agency with your current address on it, it is only to satisfy the Federal requirement for supporting documentation on line 20b of the 4473.

let's keep this in the context of what has been stated - and not convoluted with any agenda

Here is what I specifically responded to:

First, CA law says nothing about the address on your license...the fact you have one establishes residency in CA.

my response:

with all due respect, this is not true.

now, if you want to discuss the merits of how my statement is fact, PM me and I will provide you with many examples in the 23 years of transportation law/compliance I've experienced where your statement is not fact.

This has gone off topic long enough so PM is better suited... but to make it simple - I've already established I have a CA driver's license with a PO Box - this does not in any way shape or form prove that I live in CA... Again, I can give multiple examples of real world situations were the statement "having a CA ID/license proves residence" simply is not true...

The fact that "being licensed in primary state of residence" is law, does not mean that showing an ID card or license proves residence... kinda like the other thread - you can operate under the formula of the law, but it doesn't mean it is guaranteeing you the law is being upheld. This is why many dealers require the additional documentation... if you don't, no biggie - but I could live in AZ and you would process me as a CA residence with your requirements.

Now, the logical question would be - why in the hell would anyone in another state want to pass off a CA ID to buy a gun... that's an obvious answer... but my point is to show you why your statement isn't true in and of itself. So don't argue the "concept" - argue the facts (and in this case, your statement)..

But again - it's probably better in PM at this point...

[jtmkinsd]

In a gun forum, all the answers given usually have to do with...well, guns. Knowing the DROS system and CA identification/residency requirements to purchase firearms as opposed to Federal requirements is something I deal with on a daily basis. I wasn't putting forward any "agenda"...in the context of purchasing firearms, everything I have said is accurate.

Now you seem to be an expert in another area where the terms and conditions of what constitutes "residency" may be different...I don't know anything about that...and that information really is irrelevent to the OPs question.

[LBDamned]

In a gun forum, all the answers given usually have to do with...well, guns. Knowing the DROS system and CA identification/residency requirements to purchase firearms as opposed to Federal requirements is something I deal with on a daily basis. I wasn't putting forward any "agenda"...in the context of purchasing firearms, everything I have said is accurate.

Now you seem to be an expert in another area where the terms and conditions of what constitutes "residency" may be different...I don't know anything about that...and that information really is irrelevent to the OPs question.

as much as I appreciate your daily experiences - my mention does pertain to OP (and my) situation... many dealers will require two forms of "current physical residency" for all the reasons we just went over.

I respect your diligence in following the guidance of the regs... I just think you sometimes come across short-sighted to the reasons other situations exist.

In business, I always tell people "think of the worse thing that can happen - and proceed accordingly"... you will rarely have a snafu when you cover all bases... I could give extreme examples in the CA ID/License scenario we are discussing - such as Al Qaeda cells trying to establish ground - or any number of far fetch, but not unrealistic examples... I think what you should consider is the diligence some dealers use in making sure they are covering all bases. I hope the quirky reference I used doesnt spark a bunch of goofy dialog...

It's easy to simply follow the governments guidelines - but if that's all we relied on things would be much worse than they are...

That's all... no battle between us dude - so don't make it one.