RIA MATCH RANGE REPORT...needing help

[furfam4]

Shot: 250 rounds of fmj .45acp (Wally World Federal) and 100 rounds of jhp .45acp (WW Remington UMC) through the Rock Island Armory FS Match 1911.

60 rounds through the 870

100 rounds through the Ruger 10/22 lr.

The range report will be focused on the RIA Match.

*Disclaimer* I read these forums like crazy and have learned a lot but obviously need to keep researching and learning so please cut me some slack for certain ignorance's.

I don't know the terminology but these are some of the things that happened to me:

(Using 1 factory mag and 1 8 round Chip McCormick mag)

*Not sure how much was caused by operator error*

1. When releasing the slide it occasionally got caught on the bullet and would not progress forward. (so I tried racking it hard hoping it would feed but didn't.)

2. Often it was jamming on the last round more so with the CM mags the round would be chambered but the slide would not progress all the way forward. I couldn't figure what it was getting caught on. (so I just opened the action and would turn the gun upside down to drop the bullet out. *more so with the fmj than with the jhp.

A lil bummed hearing how many people have had 100's and 1000's of rounds through their RIA's without problems...but at the same time thinking it could be due to operator error. Curious to see what you guys think.

Overall I did enjoy the gun and really was able to figure out some things I was doing wrong which increased my accuracy. Here are some pics:

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just so you know I have my flame suit on

[furfam4]

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[furfam4]

What's going on here^^^^^^^^^ DISCOLORING^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[supermario]

Just curious but how much jamming did it do with the RIA magazine? Did you lube it before shooting?

[760knox]

Your break-in period....

[furfam4]

5 yards 16rounds JHP 2" group

[Joe]

The picture link needs to have [IMG] surrounding it.

[furfam4]

Just curious but how much jamming did it do with the RIA magazine? Did you lube it before shooting?

I stripped the gun cleaned and oiled it. Are you asking me if I lubed the Mag? Actually the RIA mag had only a few jams, but the CM was jamming quite often. Strange huh

[Joe]

On photo bucket just click the link that is for forums and paste it here. Nothing else needs to be done.

[furfam4]

7 yds 16r JHP 3" group

[furfam4]

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10yds 8r JHP 3.5" group

[JanG]

i usually spray a shot of brake clean or gun scrubber down the extractor groove when i'm cleaning my ria, especially after extended range sessions. also, a drop of lube down the extractor helps sometimes.

or maybe you just need to shoot it more. was it jamming with hp and fmj? could just mean more break in time.

[redcliff]

First off, hello everyone. I'm new here, yet a lot of you have already helped me out a ton. Thanks.

So... I'm also a total newb to guns. I have however caught the bug. I'm addicted. Why did this take so long?

Anyways now that you know I'm green as grass when it comes to shooting. I just went to Insight in Artesia today to fire my newly acquired 1911, 870, and 10/22 lr for the 1st time. That's right de-virginized! And um...had a blast. So did the wife.

Shot: 250 rounds of fmj .45acp (Wally World Federal) and 100 rounds of jhp .45acp (WW Remington UMC) through the Rock Island Armory FS Match 1911.

60 rounds through the 870

100 rounds through the Ruger 10/22 lr.

The range report will be focused on the RIA Match.

*Disclaimer* I read these forums like crazy and have learned a lot but obviously need to keep researching and learning so please cut me some slack for certain ignorance's.

I don't know the terminology but these are some of the things that happened to me:

(Using 1 factory mag and 1 8 round Chip McCormick mag)

*Not sure how much was caused by operator error*

1. When releasing the slide it occasionally got caught on the bullet and would not progress forward. (so I tried racking it hard hoping it would feed but didn't.)

2. Often it was jamming on the last round more so with the CM mags the round would be chambered but the slide would not progress all the way forward. I couldn't figure what it was getting caught on. (so I just opened the action and would turn the gun upside down to drop the bullet out. *more so with the fmj than with the jhp.

A lil bummed hearing how many people have had 100's and 1000's of rounds through their RIA's without problems...but at the same time thinking it could be due to operator error. Curious to see what you guys think.

Overall I did enjoy the gun and really was able to figure out some things I was doing wrong which increased my accuracy. Here are some pics:

just so you know I have my flame suit on

Problem 1 sounds like either too much extractor tension or a magazine catch that is sloppy and/or not holding the magazine up high enough in the proper position which has been a problem on a few RIA's. The fact that you can retract the slide with the pistol upside down and have the cartridge fall out makes me think the cartridge rim is in front of the extractor instead of feeding up between the extractor hook and breach face.

Problem 2 sounds like too much extractor tension or a magazine with too weak of a spring, or possibly limp-wristing or under lubrication. It sounds like you're getting an inertial feed of the last round where mag spring pressure is lowest and the round is moving forward in the magazine under recoil before the breachface contacts the rear of the case and can feed the round properly underneath the extractor.

For information on extractor tuning go here: http://www.m1911.org/technic2.htm If you're going to be a 1911 shooter, do learn how to tune an extractor; its fast and easy and makes a world of difference in getting your pistol to run properly.

Be sure that your 1911 is properly lubricated. When lubricating in the field without disassembly lubrication needs to be put on the frame rail/slide channels, bottom of the slide where the disconnector and hammer contact it, front end of the barrel where the bushing contacts it, and, often overlooked, the top of the barrel in the ejection port area as the slide rubs there as the barrel links down.

If tuning the extractor tension and proper lubrication doesnt fix it I'd contact RIA for warranty work; I hear they have good customer service.

[corvetteguy]

Your match is fitted extremely tight and will take a little break-in. Try the above recommendations and also some different mags. Not every 1911 likes every 1911 mag. The discoloring you are seeing behind the ejection port is brass marks being left as the gun ejects the spent casing. The fact that they are hitting so high and there are so many marks leads me to think that the extractor is too tight. Do the tune on it and use some Hoppe's or similar to clean the marks and you should be set.

Have Fun!

David

[furfam4]

Problem 1 sounds like either too much extractor tension or a magazine catch that is sloppy and/or not holding the magazine up high enough in the proper position which has been a problem on a few RIA's. The fact that you can retract the slide with the pistol upside down and have the cartridge fall out makes me think the cartridge rim is in front of the extractor instead of feeding up between the extractor hook and breach face.

Problem 2 sounds like too much extractor tension or a magazine with too weak of a spring, or possibly limp-wristing or under lubrication. It sounds like you're getting an inertial feed of the last round where mag spring pressure is lowest and the round is moving forward in the magazine under recoil before the breachface contacts the rear of the case and can feed the round properly underneath the extractor.

For information on extractor tuning go here: http://www.m1911.org/technic2.htm If you're going to be a 1911 shooter, do learn how to tune an extractor; its fast and easy and makes a world of difference in getting your pistol to run properly.

Be sure that your 1911 is properly lubricated. When lubricating in the field without disassembly lubrication needs to be put on the frame rail/slide channels, bottom of the slide where the disconnector and hammer contact it, front end of the barrel where the bushing contacts it, and, often overlooked, the top of the barrel in the ejection port area as the slide rubs there as the barrel links down.

If tuning the extractor tension and proper lubrication doesnt fix it I'd contact RIA for warranty work; I hear they have good customer service.

thanks for the link will look into that


Jan G - It was jamming more with fmj, maybe a couple times with the jhp


Corvetteguy- thanks I'm going to go get a few more mags for it. Going to see how it like the Wilson Combat.

? for everyone. I used the CLP you get from Wally World to clean the gun and cleaned it post range. The CLP didn't take those brass marks off. I see Corvetteguy mentioned using Hoppe's. Am I using a decent product to clean my gun? I've used Hoppe's gun oil to lube everything after cleaning. I just want to make sure I'm using good stuff to get the job done.