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  • ChrisO
    Veteran Member
    • Apr 2007
    • 4678

    Reliability observation.

    Reliability has been a debate on here for some time (and will remain to be)with different handguns. I just wanted to give my take on it or more so what I have observed as of late. After really getting out there and shooting the S*** out of a lot of mine and buddies guns lately I have really not found one the end all pistol that does not have issues (I never thought there was one anyways).

    Lately I have been shooting IDPA and practicing quite a bit. I have noticed a few things that kind of debunks some of the BS I see/hear on a daily basis.While this is far from a scientific experiment just a observation so take it FWIW.

    1. You would be surprised at how many issues you see at some matches with glocks ( you see them with other guns too, just mentioning this because glocks are thought of to be the holy grail of reliability)

    2. No matter the make or model of the gun you should clean/maintain your gun often. I don't care if it's a glock,hk,sig,beretta,1911,s&w,ruger whatever. Maintenance is what keeps the gun chugging a long the best it can. Dirty guns and lack of maintenance contributes to a lot of the issues I have seen in matches,not all but a lot.

    3. I have seen matches won in overall accuracy by stock glocks and seen cheap and expensive 1911's run without hiccups. (so there goes the glocks are not accurate and 1911's are not reliable unless expensive bs)

    4. You really don't know your gear until you get out and really run it through it's paces. (I remember one guy in particular that kept having issues with a sig p226. He had mentioned to me that he was glad he came out and started shooting because he had that sig laying next to his bed for the last year and he was getting malfunctions every damn mag during the match.) Just imagine if he relied on the gun for self defense. On top of the fact that he never practiced or really shot the thing.

    I have ran thousands upon thousands of rounds through my glock 17 and a few thousand already through my ria tactical and none of them have had much of a issue at all. I get frustrated when I hear other people bashing platforms on here with lack of experience and just commenting because they drink the M&P,GLOCK,RUGER whatever koolaid. Any quality firearm should run if you take care of it, mechanical devices are all prone to fail at some point in their life. The best thing to do is to get out there shoot and learn how to deal with it if the problem happens and not think that your gun will never have a failure and never practice clearing failures/malfunctions because when your glock or sig has a double feed and surprises the hell out of you, How are you going to react?
    Last edited by ChrisO; 04-19-2011, 12:04 PM.
  • #2
    ZombieTactics
    Veteran Member
    • Jan 2010
    • 3691

    Originally posted by ChrisO
    ... You really don't know your gear until you get out and really run it through it's paces. (I remember one guy in particular that kept having issues with a sig p226. He had mentioned to me that he was glad he came out and started shooting because he had that sig laying next to his bed for the last year and he was getting malfunctions every damn mag during the match.) Just imagine if he relied on the gun for self defense. On top of the fact that he never practiced or really shot the thing.

    I have ran thousands upon thousands of rounds through my glock 17 and a few thousand already through my ria tactical and none of them have had much of a issue at all. I get frustrated when I hear other people bashing platforms on here with lack of experience and just commenting because they drink the M&P,GLOCK,RUGER whatever coolaid. Any quality firearm should run if you take care of it, mechanical devices are all prone to fail at some point in their life. The best thing to do is to get out there shoot and learn how to deal with it if the problem happens and not think that your gun will never have a failure and never practice clearing failures because when your glock or sig has a double feed and surprises the hell out of you, How are you going to react?
    I agree completely:

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    • #3
      UserM4
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2010
      • 1687

      I don't believe Glocks are as reliable as the internet makes them out to be. But that being said, you see more failures at comps because a lot of them are modified. I know myself and a couple of other people ran into issues with faulty "big name brand" strikers.
      While we're here arguing about the latest high tech running shoes, there's some Kenyan out there running barefoot. Guess who's gonna win the marathon?

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      • #4
        ChrisO
        Veteran Member
        • Apr 2007
        • 4678

        Thanks, Cool video btw didn't know you had a youtube channel.

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        • #5
          ChrisO
          Veteran Member
          • Apr 2007
          • 4678

          Originally posted by UserM4
          I don't believe Glocks are as reliable as the internet makes them out to be. But that being said, you see more failures at comps because a lot of them are modified. I know myself and a couple of other people ran into issues with faulty "big name brand" strikers.

          In my experience I have seen just as many if not more failures in some un modified guns. I definitely have seen modified guns fail miserably though.

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          • #6
            sigfan91
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            • Jun 2009
            • 11845

            Glocks are incredibly reliable. That's why you see them at range rentals. They can't afford to have something that's not reliable. Do Glocks fail sometimes? Sure. A man-made object will fail at one point in time.

            Don't need a competition to see how reliable your gun is. Just go to the range and keep shooting. Especially your bedside gun. Keep shooting it.

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            • #7
              ChrisO
              Veteran Member
              • Apr 2007
              • 4678

              So are most other quality made handguns You also so a lot of other pistols as range rentals, It's mostly because they are cheap. Your not getting the point of the thread, I also states that all mechanical objects are prone to failure at some point. Read the entire post before blabbing off. I'm sorry but just shooting square at the range is completely different and is not nearly as good of training as competing in IDPA, clearing a malfunction under time and stress is also completely different. Anyone that argues so is just plain dumb.

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              • #8
                oghl888
                Senior Member
                • May 2005
                • 612

                Range rental guns are there because of customer demand. Range rentals are there to generate rental income, and potential sales. I don't believe there is much correlation between what's available as a rental vs. reliability.

                Reliability on any particular piece can only be ascertained after extensive testing. Such testing should include unlikely scenarios (i.e. corner cases). A gun that will fire thousands of rounds in slow, up-right target shooting may fail miserably in fast shooting or another position.

                As an example: My S&W PC 627, is a great revolver and shoots perfectly horizontally, but fails pointing upwards (and fails sometimes shooting side ways, gangster style). It required a trip back to the factory to fix its short coming. Even a Performance Center gun can have problems, even though it received a lot more attention than a stardard production piece.

                The OP's point should be carefully considered.

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                • #9
                  ruchik
                  Senior Member
                  • Apr 2010
                  • 1189

                  IMO, most people define reliability as never having to maintain the piece of machinery in question. Especially with cars; Toyotas and Hondas are often cited as being uber reliable, when the fact of the matter is that they keep running even though their maintenance is often neglected, and as such they are defined as reliable. Any piece of machinery will run well and for a long time if it is properly maintained.

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                  • #10
                    21SF
                    Veteran Member
                    • Oct 2010
                    • 3491

                    So if i shoot IDPA will i become a guru, as well.
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                    • #11
                      ChrisO
                      Veteran Member
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 4678

                      I never said I'm a guru... I was just pointing out an observation I have made and certain things I have seen while shooting IDPA. Shooting in different scenarios in IDPA will definitely cause or bring on certain failures that would never happen if shooting on a square range. No reason to be a a**hole though, Like I said just a observation I have made from shooting and being on this forum for awhile. Also I hate to say it but even getting out and shooting is more than a lot of folks on this forum do.

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                      • #12
                        ChrisO
                        Veteran Member
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 4678

                        Originally posted by ruchik
                        IMO, most people define reliability as never having to maintain the piece of machinery in question. Especially with cars; Toyotas and Hondas are often cited as being uber reliable, when the fact of the matter is that they keep running even though their maintenance is often neglected, and as such they are defined as reliable. Any piece of machinery will run well and for a long time if it is properly maintained.

                        This is true but it's really more rigidity/durability than reliability in my opinion.

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                        • #13
                          himurax13
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                          • Aug 2009
                          • 3895

                          Originally posted by ChrisO
                          I never said I'm a guru... I was just pointing out an observation I have made and certain things I have seen while shooting IDPA. Shooting in different scenarios in IDPA will definitely cause or bring on certain failures that would never happen if shooting on a square range. No reason to be a a**hole though, Like I said just a observation I have made from shooting and being on this forum for awhile. Also I hate to say it but even getting out and shooting is more than a lot of folks on this forum do.
                          Amen brother. I only have malafunctions when I am on the clock, never while plinking. IMHO, if you haven't had a problem with your gear, you haven't used it enough. This month's match was the first match that I can remember not having any equipment issues and it was with my new to me CZ 75. I am looking forward to having issues so I can practice to deal with it as quickly and efficiently as possible. Almost all of my equipment problems thus far were ammo, magazine, or recoil spring related issues. Since I load mostly lead reloads and I am always looking for a new recipe, it is to be expected. Since I rarely have time to shoot except for match days, I am usually rolling out with some untested setup. It usually makes for an exciting day .
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                          • #14
                            huckberry668
                            Senior Member
                            • Feb 2007
                            • 1502

                            Match modified guns do tend to have more issues. I think reloaded/handloaded ammo also cause a great deal of the malfunctions you see at matches.
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                            • #15
                              Mute
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                              • Oct 2005
                              • 8576

                              Good observations. Don't disagree at all.
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