Is there such a gun?

[LloydXmas250]

This may be out of left field and sound really weird too but does anyone make a DA/SA, with an external hammer that has a safety and a decocker? Does that make sense? haha. Here's the thing. I like hammered guns and I love DA/SA. But I'd also like the ability to carry in SA mode with a safety engaged while still having a decocker. Do any safeties have a safe mode and then if you engage it more a decocking mode? If not, what's the closest I could eventually get? Thanks

[ChrisTKHarris]

HK USP and USP Compact.

[LloydXmas250]

HK USP and USP Compact.

Just the USPs or do any other HKs have them? I could (crossing fingers) be going into the Border Patrol in the near future pending my background investigation so I would be carrying the HK P2000.

[choprzrul]

Note that I am NOT talking about a 1911.

I can check tomorrow for sure, but I believe that my Taurus PT911 9mm fulfills your parameters.

Up = Safe
Center = Fire
Down = Decock

PM me if you don't hear back in 24hrs

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[Dannicus]

Most of the Berettas are DA/SA with safety/decockers.

[LloydXmas250]

I have a Beretta PX4. It's just a decocker/safety. I'm wondering about one that can engage a safety w/o decocking, and then if you engage it more it decocks. All Berettas that I've handled can be decocked and kept safe but not cocked and safe.

[Bellehood]

FN FNX has all of that, i'm pretty sure. don't know their legal status in kali, I live in WA state, and my local shop is selling them like mad, my best friend just bought one.

[zfields]

belive the CZ p07 has that also. Could be wrong though.

[InGrAM]

Tauras 800 series. And their beretta knock off, I think it is called the 100 series.

H&K USP. Mark 23. Most H&K's

FNX.

and some others. I have always liked this idea but I have never wanted a gun that had this option and or wanted to pay for a usp lol

[Packy14]

I'm not sure why you'd want that setup... the safety is just one more thing that in the heat of the moment you'll have to remember. As it is, you'll have to get your gun out of your holster. If you have time to disengage a safety you have time to cock the hammer to SA mode, if not, at least your gun will go bang in DA mode for the first shot, then SA...and no safety to worry about.

[DannyZRC]

Lloyd, some pistols that have independently functioning safeties and decockers for you.

Pistols with 3 position "control levers" that have decock/fire/safe positions are:
HK models: USP, USPc, HK45, HK P8
FN models: FNP-45, FNP-9 USG, FNP-40 USG, FNX-9, FNX-40, Browning Branded Pro-9 and Pro-40
Some Taurus models (I'm not up and up on my taurii), I think the older PT92s had frame mounted safeties only, but newer PT92s have dual functioning control lever type implementations. There are a few other taurus models that work this way.

Further, there are a couple pistols with separate safety and decocking controls:
HK Mk23, HK P30S

All of the control lever models (except the P8) follow the same interface schema, there is a lever which mimics a 1911 style frame mounted thumb safety, up is safe, down is fire, even more down is a momentary position which decocks.

the P8 is a USP for the German army, but the control levers function is slightly different, safe and fire are transposed, so you get up for fire, down for safe, further down for decock.

all of the control lever systems, to my knowledge, share a limitation in that if the safety is ridden by the shooters thumb, it can be possible to exert enough pressure to move the lever into the decocking range, and this can cause the firing mechanism to become temporarily inoperative.

the Mk23 is unobtanium, but the P30S (S for Safety) models share the rear mounted decocker configuration of the P30 and P2000, but with the addition of an ambidextrous frame mounted thumb safety lever in the 1911 pattern, up for safe, down for fire.

lastly, to Kenshinoro:
you can't be serious saying that clicking a safety is as time consuming as cocking a hammer (and I don't mean a single action revolver's hammer, simmer down vaqueros).

Training with a safety is a personal choice, but it has served the 1911 well for 100 years, and that is a pistol thought by many to be the most arse-kickingest handgun ever devised by mankind. Respect.

[Ranger20]

3rd Gen SW Pistols... Here was my 3914 It has a Safety and a decocker... NO it doesn't allow Cocked and Locked You need an HK USP for that.
MY CZ based Baby Eagle IMI 9mm Does Cocked and Locked and also DA/SA but no decocker...

[wu_dot_com]

Most of the Berettas are DA/SA with safety/decockers.

cant carry lock and cock.
go pt92. or the cz75

[LloydXmas250]

Thanks for the replies. I don't think the CZ75 has a decocker though. Sounds like the USPs and FNs are my bet. Of course they're some of the most expensive. This isn't something I'm going to get anytime soon. Just a setup that would really be up my alley.

I'm not sure why you'd want that setup... the safety is just one more thing that in the heat of the moment you'll have to remember. As it is, you'll have to get your gun out of your holster. If you have time to disengage a safety you have time to cock the hammer to SA mode, if not, at least your gun will go bang in DA mode for the first shot, then SA...and no safety to worry about.

Engaging a safety can be done in the draw and takes up absolutely no time at all. Whenever I practice dry firing I couple in working with the safety. It is second nature and not something I would forget. And I understand I can just have a DA/SA that I leave the safety off with. I'm just looking for a gun that can do it all.

[MongooseV8]

I think Para makes some DA/SA 1911's