Carry without a round in a chamber = FAIL

[RollingCode3]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=086_1260862712

Watch the video. A unloaded gun will do you NO GOOD when you NEED IT. Without a round in the chamber you are carrying a unloaded gun. To do otherwise would be to carry a paperweight.

Defensive shootings happen in seconds, you most likely will NOT have time to rack the slide or you remember to rack the slide.

[luckystrike]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=086_1260862712

Watch the video. A unloaded gun will do you NO GOOD when you NEED IT. Without a round in the chamber you are carrying a unloaded gun. To do otherwise would be to carry a paperweight.

Defensive shootings happen in seconds, you most likely will NOT have time to rack the slide or you remember to rack the slide.

a pistol with a dry chamber used by a moron or frantic people that lose their cool under pressure will do you NO GOOD.

I wish california considered that unloaded.

[iareConfusE]

Yep. If I chose to carry, I would never carry without a round chambered.

[awall919]

Agreed with above statements. I must also disagree with the first aid administered to the victim by the bystanders.
Though... If the victim had more training or at least more experience carrying a firearm,(which i can't say he didn't), in my own personal opinion things would not have turned out the way they did. Of course my statements are open to criticism.

[kenjimatic]

One day I went into a bait shop to get some things to go fishing and a customer was open carrying. There was an off duty LEO asking him if the gun was loaded and the guy said it's an empty magazine in the gun and the LEO just left it at that and left. I was just thinking to myself that since the gun is out in the open and everyone can see he is carrying. A bad guy can just approach him with no warning and attack him or shoot him without notice. You can carry conceal while fishing as long as it's transported legally to the fishing spot so why not just do that? Guess he just wanted to reserve his right to bear arms and show everyone his H&K .

Sorry to thread jack but yes defensive shooting happens fast. It's not like the bad guy is going to say "hey, I'm going to come in and rob the store and get ready. Okay?"

[rogervzv]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=086_1260862712

Watch the video. A unloaded gun will do you NO GOOD when you NEED IT. Without a round in the chamber you are carrying a unloaded gun. To do otherwise would be to carry a paperweight.

Defensive shootings happen in seconds, you most likely will NOT have time to rack the slide or you remember to rack the slide.

Nonsense. This may be true for cops cruising South-Central LA. It may be true for our soldiers in Iraq. It is not true for most ordinary armed citizens.
The one time I had need for my gun to confront an intruder, I racked the slide to load the round and went to work. No problem.

[rogervzv]

a pistol with a dry chamber used by a moron or frantic people that lose their cool under pressure will do you NO GOOD.

I wish california considered that unloaded.

People who lose their cool under pressure to the extent that they cannot rack a slide to load a round are people who cannot be trusted to walk around with a round chambered.

And we have all seen that thread where the gentleman shot himself in the drive-thru with his holstered weapon. I'm guessing it was a Glock that did not even have a slide safety. And he's carrying it around loaded in a drive thru. Great.

[erikdjs]

And we have all seen that thread where the gentleman shot himself in the drive-thru with his holstered weapon. I'm guessing it was a Glock that did not even have a slide safety. And he's carrying it around loaded in a drive thru. Great.

I'd rather have a firing pin and trigger safety or grip & hammer safety than a slide safety. Sounds like a case of wandering booger hooks.

And I agree 100% with OP.

[Spirit 1]

There's no such thing as one size fits all. Blanket statements most often reveal the holes in the blanket before they begin to cover all aspects. Because human abilities & psyche's are so extraordinarily different one must determine what is best for self under all imaginable
circumstances. Self defense is a complex matter of armament, training & psychology.

The first part is to be able in willingness, that all the psychology of 'Should I and would I?' is fully settled beforehand. The second is suitable armament, with that as readily available as the person wants it to be. The third is frequent training, so that actions of use are skillfully automatic, not semi-automatic. The fourth, after the first three, is to be observant in all situations, to remove factors of surprise and unpreparedness. The fifth is ongoing adaptability to changing circumstances. The sixth is to mold these into an enjoyable lifestyle not overwhelmed or obsessed with matters of personal defense, yet continuously ready, willing & able to take care of business regardless of the customer.

That is, it should be a matter of sober, rational and total preparedness causing peace of mind and continuous safety to the best of one's ability, rather than an obssession, or paranoia or a hero syndrome. This I've stated isn't meant to imply that anyone here is laboring under those last three delusions, but is simply my view on the way of it. Our ability to defend ourselves, should the need arise, should not entirely overthrow or even significantly alter the normal enjoyment of life in all its moments.

Some folks can draw - slam in a mag - rack the slide - acquire their target - shoot dead-center quicker than I can draw, thumb off a safety and fire on target, so it's different strokes for different folks, according to circumstances.

[NoJoke]

revolvers are simple

[rrr70]

Nonsense. This may be true for cops cruising South-Central LA. It may be true for our soldiers in Iraq. It is not true for most ordinary armed citizens.
The one time I had need for my gun to confront an intruder, I racked the slide to load the round and went to work. No problem.

People who lose their cool under pressure to the extent that they cannot rack a slide to load a round are people who cannot be trusted to walk around with a round chambered.

And we have all seen that thread where the gentleman shot himself in the drive-thru with his holstered weapon. I'm guessing it was a Glock that did not even have a slide safety. And he's carrying it around loaded in a drive thru. Great.

Epic FAIL.

[Mr. Beretta]

revolvers are simple

Exactly!

[JDW67]

To each and everyone in this thread:

Have any of you ever had to pull your weapon?

[HighLander51]

It's not totally clear what happened, except that he did not have is gun on him, had to go to the counter and make it ready, whether it was ready or not already, and is facing the wrong direction. He was not experienced with that weapon, and clearly had no weapon retention training. Fortunately the BG(s) didn't get good hits either. Actually he would have better off with an edged weapon (and training).

But, loading Israel style doesn't have to be slow, you need to know how to do it, and do it quickly. There is no substitute for speed and accuracy. I am not saying this is faster that running a loaded gun, however there are many competitors who can rack load it, put 2 holes in center mass at 10 yards before the untrained shooter even touches his gun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqyxP3_am3g&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7stLQvsDX8&feature=related

[hossb7]

Nonsense. This may be true for cops cruising South-Central LA. It may be true for our soldiers in Iraq. It is not true for most ordinary armed citizens.
The one time I had need for my gun to confront an intruder, I racked the slide to load the round and went to work. No problem.

Glad you're okay but your sample size is quite small.