PX4 Safety lever question

[BigFatGuy]

Now that I'm a Glock kool-aid drinker, we're looking for a pistol for my wife. She prefers DA/SA, and after groping the rental pieces at the range she liked the feel of the PX4. We rented it, shot it, she liked it.

Her one complaint, the safety was REALLY hard to disengage. Even with my big-*** hands, I had trouble releasing the safety with my thumb. I think it's a combination of the safety being almost flush to the slide, and very stiff.

Is this normal for the PX4? is it something that can be corrected? Is it just due to a worn out rental pistol?

[Laser Sailor]

It's one reason I sold my PX4...

It takes some getting used to, you have to break your grip to disengage the safety, I didn't like that.

[DannyZRC]

I've heard of a law-enforcement safety lever, I'm looking to see what I can find on that. (heard of it from a guy at The Range in Fresno, Fresno PD just adopted the PX4, and also saw mention of a "normal" style lever in Rochester, NY adopting the PX4 as well)

my GF just DROS'd a PX4 subcompact, she has a really easy time with the safety but I find it a bit tough to click off safe.

I'm looking to keep the safety functionality if I get a PX4, so I will either try to get the LE lever or modify the existing lever to make it easier for me to click it off safe. I may also end up with a 92A1 if I feel like that'll end up happier.

if you don't want to keep the manual safety, the lever is very easy to move in the decock direction, and it can be converted to be decocker only without any parts.

[BigFatGuy]

From the user manual on the manufacturer's website, the G model PX4 has a decocker only, no safety.

This might work, but I can't tell if it's still available for sale. It's not shown on the Beretta website.

[DannyZRC]

the F model can be converted to G model easily, according to the internets.

I believe you remove a spring and a detent mechanism.

EDIT: Here is a Link http://www.berettaforum.net/vb/showt...t=13509&page=3

[LloydXmas250]

Like others said you can modify it to just be a decocker but do you want to lose the safety altogether? I noticed on mine that it loosened up with usage. I personally don't have any problem flicking the safety on and off without changing my grip but I think that came with practice and bigger than average hands. I'm sure you or she can learn to engage it comfortably with practice.

[LBDamned]

I've heard of a law-enforcement safety lever, I'm looking to see what I can find on that. (heard of it from a guy at The Range in Fresno, Fresno PD just adopted the PX4, and also saw mention of a "normal" style lever in Rochester, NY adopting the PX4 as well)

my GF just DROS'd a PX4 subcompact, she has a really easy time with the safety but I find it a bit tough to click off safe.

I'm looking to keep the safety functionality if I get a PX4, so I will either try to get the LE lever or modify the existing lever to make it easier for me to click it off safe. I may also end up with a 92A1 if I feel like that'll end up happier.

if you don't want to keep the manual safety, the lever is very easy to move in the decock direction, and it can be converted to be decocker only without any parts.

any info on the alternate safety?... I really like the pistol, but the decocker/safety is what has kept me from getting it (horrible design)...

Turners has it on sale and I'm thinking of dealing with the fact that I hate the safety (still prefer to have it though)... if there was an option to change it out to a better functioning lever I'd be all overt it!

[LloydXmas250]

These are the different types:

Type F: Single and double-action. Decocker. Manual safety.
Type C: Double-action-only ("Constant Action"). Spurless hammer. No decocker. No safety.
Type D: Double-action-only. Spurless hammer. No decocker. No safety.
Type G: Single and double-action. Decocker. No manual safety.

The one you're thinking about is the Type C with constant action. But no safety and it's not on the DOJ list so unless you're an LEO or can find someone to PPT it there's no getting it. Only types on the list are F and G.

[LBDamned]

actually I'm referring to type F (on sale now at Turners)...

and the way I read it, DannyZRC was referring to the same variant - but mentioned an alternate decocker/safety level (not lack of one)...

I've always said if Beretta would redesign the safety lever I'd buy the pistol - I was hoping Danny found info on the aftermarket option he referenced.

But like I said earlier - even though I hate the design of the current type F controls, I might get it anyway, at the Turners price...

[DannyZRC]

I'm still trying to find out any info, I may actually just walk into Fresno PD next time I'm down there and ask about it.

I have a question pending on Beretta's CS interface as well.

to clarify, as far as I know this is a Beretta OEM solution for LE agencies, not an aftermarket lever.

I may still get a PX4 and just take it on myself to modify the lever to my taste, I'm still conflicted.

[Rekrab]

I don't have any issues with mine, it was stiff initially but it's lightened up over time. Typically I use my right thumb or off hand to manipulate the safety. My real complaint is the slide serrations that are hard to grip.

[pontiacpratt]

I've never noticed the Safety to be an issue for me. Maybe a break in issue? I can disengage it with out changing by grip. It was my first pistol so it's what I'm used to I guess. The "G" might be the ticket for you if Beretta still produces it, or convert a "F" or You can always just leave it off.

[mincoda]

I also have had no problems with the safety, at first it was a little bit stiff but after a little oil and a few times of engaging and disengaging the safety it works great. With a little practice it even gets easier to use.

The Px4 is one quality built pistol and is a soft shooter. If you get one you will definitely not regret it..

[JeepFreak]

Now that I'm a Glock kool-aid drinker, we're looking for a pistol for my wife. She prefers DA/SA, and after groping the rental pieces at the range she liked the feel of the PX4. We rented it, shot it, she liked it.

Her one complaint, the safety was REALLY hard to disengage. Even with my big-*** hands, I had trouble releasing the safety with my thumb. I think it's a combination of the safety being almost flush to the slide, and very stiff.

Is this normal for the PX4? is it something that can be corrected? Is it just due to a worn out rental pistol?

I'm guessing it must have been the low profile safety. Was it a Sub-Compact Px4? I know those come with a low profile slide catch lever, but I wasn't aware they came with the low profile safety levers too. That's gotta be it though.

I just swapped my standard safety levers over to the low profile ones because the standard ones stick out like suicide doors on a Lincoln!

My hands aren't big, but I can operate the standard safety levers on my Px4 with my dominate hand in position on the gun. The low profile ones are another story... very tough to operate without using both levers at once (two fingers).

Billy

[JeepFreak]

Here's a couple pics. The first one is standard safety/decockers, the second compares the standard and stealth versions, and the last one is the stealth/low profile safety/decocker. AFAIK, the low profile one is only available with "decocker only" functionality, so if the one you guys tried had an actual safety, I would question it being the low profile one.





HTH,
Billy