Carry gun to range in car

[paul0660]

The PC provides a blanket exemption for transport in a vehicle if it is in a locked container and unloaded.

The rest of the exemptions, as best we can ascertain, apply when the gun is being transported other than in a motor vehicle.

And, as well as specifying motor vehicles, 12026.1 also specifies US citizens, while 12026.2 says "a person".

When I lock my soft case I use DaveFJ80's method, otherwise there is a nearly two inch gap that stuff can fall out of.

[Gatotsu77]

How does a chain-lock through the action/magwell play into this? (if at all..?) I was always used to carrying my 1911 to the range with a chain lock on it, inside its clamshell case. (case had no lock on it) Ammo is in a separate ammo can, though I hadn't been locking that container. Both containers are transported in the trunk of my sedan. I think I might go buy a pack of padlocks just to be on the safe side...

[Librarian]

How does a chain-lock through the action/magwell play into this? (if at all..?) I was always used to carrying my 1911 to the range with a chain lock on it, inside its clamshell case. (case had no lock on it) Ammo is in a separate ammo can, though I hadn't been locking that container. Both containers are transported in the trunk of my sedan. I think I might go buy a pack of padlocks just to be on the safe side...

No value at all - if you're going to carry your handgun concealed, without CCW, then it's the CASE that must be locked. Ammo needs no lock.

[Geetarguy]

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/travel.php

[Librarian]

It's more of a matter that it's not as easy to open the zipper up when you have the inner loops tied together. If you have the outer loops tied together, then you can pull on the zipper and make a big hole and stick your hand into the bag and grab stuff out. Locking the inner loops just makes it much harder to do that, thus it becomes a 'better' locked container.


I'm not sure if this IS a legality issue, whether it's legal to do it one way and illegal to do it the other (since most LE or RO's may just want to see that you have a lock on the bag, period - not really paying attention to where you have it on the zipper), but I not going to spread FUD with any assumptions on that. But what I said above is accurate.

Ah.

That procedure is not a legality issue, though there is nothing wrong with it.

The consideration is what the law says about cases:

(c) As used in this section, "locked container" means a secure
container which is fully enclosed and locked by a padlock, key
lock, combination lock, or similar locking device.

There is no definition, and so far as I am aware, no caselaw, that tells us what "secure" means.

That being so, it's left to the common sense of the gun owner. Given the state of California gun laws, many people don't trust their common sense in this area.

See the Wiki article on Transporting.

[Dooligan]

No value at all - if you're going to carry your handgun concealed, without CCW, then it's the CASE that must be locked. Ammo needs no lock.

So, plain view (unloaded) with a chain lock properly secured through the cylinder, magwell, etc. is gtg w/ ammo in the same vicinity?

It seems that OC/plainview unlocked is gtg (with ammo in the same vicinity)however not recommended,

Locked container, unloaded, with ammo in the same locked containter is gtg,

But locked cylinder/chamber in plainview with ammo in same vicinity is a grey area due to the fact that it does not fall under the definition of "locked container"?

Am I just confusing myself at this point?

[Cokebottle]

Did I miss something? I didn't know you had to put it on the Inner loop and not the outer? Why is that? Is it because it can be broken easily?

On the outer loop, on bags that have dual zipper pulls, it is possible on many zippers to pull the zipper apart with the pulls still locked together.

Someone posted a video doing it a few months ago.

[Cokebottle]

How does a chain-lock through the action/magwell play into this? (if at all..?)

Unless you have children in your home, or children may access your guns, the cable/padlock that you got/bought with the gun served it's only legal purpose the moment you walked out the door of the gun shop.

The law says that it must be provided.

Beyond that, it's only legal purpose is to CYA. If a child accesses your gun and causes injury/death/property damage with it, then you face separate criminal penalties if the gun was not "secured"

Now, push comes to shove, your gun is locked with the cable lock, and a child still manages to fire it, are you off the hook?
Remember this is California before you answer. I honestly don't know, but I suspect that you would at the very least be in for a rough couple of months getting things ironed out.


The only way the cable lock applies in any way to transport is if you are able to wrap it around the handles of your hardcase tightly enough so that it can't be opened far enough to access and fire the gun.

[Gatotsu77]

Good to know.... I should invest in a couple locks for my handgun case then. Thank you.

[Librarian]

So, plain view (unloaded) with a chain lock properly secured through the cylinder, magwell, etc. is gtg w/ ammo in the same vicinity?

It seems that OC/plainview unlocked is gtg (with ammo in the same vicinity)however not recommended,

Locked container, unloaded, with ammo in the same locked containter is gtg,

But locked cylinder/chamber in plainview with ammo in same vicinity is a grey area due to the fact that it does not fall under the definition of "locked container"?

Am I just confusing myself at this point?

Too complicated.

1) Concealed carry - unloaded in a locked case.

2) Open carry - unloaded

Ammo anywhere but in the gun.

Trigger/cylinder/cable lock - irrelevant for transport - leave them home.

[xmustanguyx]

It's more of a matter that it's not as easy to open the zipper up when you have the inner loops tied together. If you have the outer loops tied together, then you can pull on the zipper and make a big hole and stick your hand into the bag and grab stuff out. Locking the inner loops just makes it much harder to do that, thus it becomes a 'better' locked container.


I'm not sure if this IS a legality issue, whether it's legal to do it one way and illegal to do it the other (since most LE or RO's may just want to see that you have a lock on the bag, period - not really paying attention to where you have it on the zipper), but I not going to spread FUD with any assumptions on that. But what I said above is accurate.

Gotcha, that makes sense because on my glock backpack I sometimes lock it on the strings...they can't untie but can be cut with a knife (but so can the bag right!) anyway, I sometimes lock the strings but not at the zippers and wondered how "legal" legal it was. Technically it's a locked container but I see if you could get your hand in that would be bad!

Thanx for clarifying and +1 for attention to detail on zipper placement.

[Dooligan]

Thank you Librarian for untangling me...my eyes were starting to cross.