Settle this...

[Plisk]

Thanks for the reassurance everyone. I knew I was a safe firearms handler.



I would if I had a good enough reason for one. Do you think 'self preservation' would suffice?

Even valid CCW reasons don't fly with Hutchins dude.

[Djskrilla89]

So why load a dummy round when demonstrating safe handling?

Just wondering.

[leelaw]

I'd always eject the magazine before emptying the chamber. It sounds like you did fine.

[Plisk]

So why load a dummy round when demonstrating safe handling?

Just wondering.

To show that you can safety chamber a live round in a safe and controlled manner.

[Djskrilla89]

Ah..I guess someone screwed that part up at some point for them to put that in the steps. :P

[bohoki]

yea i thought you should take out the magazine first otherwise if you slip taking the one round out you would put another round in

did you keep your index finger below the triggerguard?

[Honeydos]

You were right, he was wrong. Here is why.



Even a well trained, experienced operator can easily become distracted long enough to forget to drop the magazine after checking the chamber if they do so in that order. Drop the mag, then check the chamber. There is a good reason we do it that way, as you just saw.

[GKO]

I think you did it right and he was wrong. First step with any pistol, besides keeping it pointed in safe direction and finger off the trigger, is to remove the magazine. Then, lock the slide back to eject the round. You should visually and tactilely check for no round in the chamber.

Load round into mag, insert mag, pull slide back (or use slide release if that's your thing) to send it into battery. Pull slide back slightly, for those shop people that want you to do a press check, put slide back into battery. Remove magazine, lock slide back to eject round, visually/tactilely check the chamber and put the gun down.

Note that the reason for the visual/tactile chamber inspection is that racking the slide doesn't always clear the round. As was stated if there's a round in the chamber and you don't remove the magazine before racking the slide, if that slide goes forward, you could have a double feed if there was more than 1 round in that magazine to begin with.

I'm sure the guy wanted you to do it his way because you were dealing with a magazine with only 1 round in it. So, after the round is in the chamber, the magazine is empty and should go to slide lock when slide retracted and the round ejected.

Personally, I don't like that idea; not how I was taught and not what I've read to do. I think it's better to remove that magazine first. Why? Say you're at the range with a full magazine, loaded chamber. You fire two rounds and the gun jams.

You can tap/rack/scan/bang if you're doing the tactical thing or if you're just trying to figure out/clear the jam or the tap/rack thing didn't work, I think it's better to drop the mag and clear the chamber/gun. If the mag is in the gun, and you rack the slide, it can prevent a round from falling free and it's stuck on top of magazine and/or you can have the aforementioned double feed.

Also, I personally like to use the same operating procedure whether I have a full magazine or an empty magazine.

[Capt. Speirs]

Always remove the magazine first, then lock the slide back to clear the weapon, prevents you from loading a round in the chamber unwillingly. I love that video, the difference between a "Professional" and an "Armature" is; the Pro gets paid.

[Greg-Dawg]

Name the gun store!

Here's an interesting scenario...

What's wrong with this: Say you have 3 rounds in the mag and to remove them, you rack the slide 3 times? Any problems with this?

[Honeydos]

Yeah, you still have one in the chamber.

[gorenut]

Yea, a lot of employees just want to push their own authority sometimes. Even during safe handling demos, I do my own safety check before even starting. I got criticized I did something that wasn't in order once by an employee when he handed me my pistol and I checked the chamber, racked the slide a few times without a magazine before even starting my safe handling demo, just to be sure the gun was empty. Even with people I trust, I'll check the gun first when handed to me - more checking leaves smaller gaps for NDs.

[civilsnake]

Name the gun store!

Here's an interesting scenario...

What's wrong with this: Say you have 3 rounds in the mag and to remove them, you rack the slide 3 times? Any problems with this?

If it is the trick question I think it is, then you would still have a round in the chamber.

If it was just a counting error, I wouldn't do it that way because every time you chamber a round you could be seating the bullet a little deeper into the case, increasing pressure upon firing. This is no bueno.

[redcliff]

Only thing I would of done differently is apply the safety after chamberring the dummy round.

[gorenut]

Can't forget this one