Gunvault and Transportation

[viet4lifeOC]

Hi all,

Will be picking up my new Les Baer TRS this Monday. Didn't know they came in a cardboard box until the day I DROSed it. I know I can use one of my many plastic gun containers (normally use a casecruzer 6 pistol case), but decided to get something special for the TRS.

A GunVault to safeguard it and to transport the TRS. Love the quick keypads, key lock if I need it, and the steel cable so I can secure it under the car seat.

I went to Turners in Orange this morning to buy the Gun Vault and the sales person went on and on about the nuiances of transporting a gun. He literally dissuaded me from buying the GunVault. Can someone chime in on some statements that he made.

1) I asked if I could have the gunvault any where in the car other than the console or glove compartment? ie..can I have an unloaded TRS with a loaded magazine inside the gunvault locked and secured to the underside of the passenger seat? Or for that matter...have it laying onto the passenger seat? He said NO...because the "gunvault" label on the top front of the vault..this would give a LEO who stops me probable cause to have me open the vault even if I was initial stopped for only a traffic violation.

2) I can only transport a gun from a gunstore, gunsmith, or range and back to and from home. I can't transport a gun in a lock contain any other place. He even stated that I wasn't even legally able to stop at a gas station to pump gas with an unloaded handgun in a lock container.

What I planned to do with the TRS and Gunvault. Well, mainly to transport my gun. But I normally hit the range after work. So I normally transport my guns in my car to go to work..take the case out and secure it to a desk at work..then transport to the range..then go home.

I'd like to also know if it is even legal to have a empty gun locked in a container in your car for simple self-protection. Can one simply have an unloaded gun locked in a container in your car not going to the gunstore, gunsmith, or gun range?

thanks all

[wamphyri13]

Hi all,

Will be picking up my new Les Baer TRS this Monday. Didn't know they came in a cardboard box until the day I DROSed it. I know I can use one of my many plastic gun containers (normally use a casecruzer 6 pistol case), but decided to get something special for the TRS.

A GunVault to safeguard it and to transport the TRS. Love the quick keypads, key lock if I need it, and the steel cable so I can secure it under the car seat.

I went to Turners in Orange this morning to buy the Gun Vault and the sales person went on and on about the nuiances of transporting a gun. He literally dissuaded me from buying the GunVault. Can someone chime in on some statements that he made.

1) I asked if I could have the gunvault any where in the car other than the console or glove compartment? ie..can I have an unloaded TRS with a loaded magazine inside the gunvault locked and secured to the underside of the passenger seat? Or for that matter...have it laying onto the passenger seat? He said NO...because the "gunvault" label on the top front of the vault..this would give a LEO who stops me probable cause to have me open the vault even if I was initial stopped for only a traffic violation.

Even in the Gunvault, it cannot be accessible from the cabin. Locked in the Gunvault and in your trunk is okay.

2) I can only transport a gun from a gunstore, gunsmith, or range and back to and from home. I can't transport a gun in a lock contain any other place. He even stated that I wasn't even legally able to stop at a gas station to pump gas with an unloaded handgun in a lock container.

FUD. But it still needs to be in the container in the trunk. All other rules apply, such as a school zone.

What I planned to do with the TRS and Gunvault. Well, mainly to transport my gun. But I normally hit the range after work. So I normally transport my guns in my car to go to work..take the case out and secure it to a desk at work..then transport to the range..then go home.

I'd like to also know if it is even legal to have a empty gun locked in a container in your car for simple self-protection. Can one simply have an unloaded gun locked in a container in your car not going to the gunstore, gunsmith, or gun range?

Don't think so. Weapon, though locked, is not really, "secure." Too much liability.

thanks all

That's what I got.
Ryan

[viet4lifeOC]

Ryan,

thanks for the reply..so "as long as the unloaded gun with loaded magazine is locked inside the locked container (gunvault) inside a locked trunk" then I could transport the gun.

I have a 2011 scion that does not have a seperate trunk. A passenger can easily access the back area of the car. Then what?

[paul0660]

blind leading blind so far.

gun must be unloaded and in a locked container. A locked container includes the trunk, but not the console or glove compartment.

locked container can be anywhere. You can transport it anywhere not prohibited (army base for instance).

ammo can be in the case with the gun.

yes if a cop thinks you have a gun he can ask to check to see if it is loaded and you must comply,.

if your locked case fits, it can go in the glove compartment or console.

http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/Transporting

[viet4lifeOC]

Paul,

thanks for the info. That is what I understood prior to walking into Turners to buy the gunvault. After being lectured by the salesperson...I walked out confused.

From what I have read....The unloaded gun locked in a container does NOT have to be in a locked trunk..ie my scion does not have a seperate, lock trunk.

thanks for the answering my question in a concise manner.

[pullnshoot25]

Re: Gunvault and Transportation

Some relevant info in the FAQ that is in my sig line.

[paul0660]

I wonder if some gun employees enjoy giving out false info.

btw the cop checking your gun is a 12031(e) check. It is worth reading that statute and understanding it.

http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/12031.html

[NiteQwill]

That's what I got.
Ryan

Ryan, there is no law that prevents the locked container from being on your lap while driving. You can have a gunvault on your passenger seat, locked, with a gun and magazine (not inserted) and be compliant with the law.

[wamphyri13]

Sure, everybody jump on me. As far as being blind leading the blind, thanks for your courtesy. I understood it to be that the container, locked or not, had to be inaccessible to the cabin. Which would be the trunk. The trunk also constitutes a locked container. Since the vehicle in question has no trunk, usually locked container stays in rear cargo area. When my friend and I go to the range in his Grand Cherokee, everything is locked up and in the rear of the vehicle. Obviously, I was wrong about that part. But, it's better to err on the side of caution, don't you think?

As a gun owner, I find it constantly frustrating keeping on top of all the laws to keep myself out of trouble. While my information may have been somewhat wrong, at least I can't get in any trouble for it being wrong. That's a good kinda wrong in my book.
Ryan

[boosh71]

Can the magazine be loaded when in a Gun Vault and with the unloaded hand gun? Or do the rounds need to be loose?

[pullnshoot25]

Re: Gunvault and Transportation

Can the magazine be loaded when in a Gun Vault and with the unloaded hand gun? Or do the rounds need to be loose?

The former. Read the FAQ in my sig line.

[paul0660]

Ryan I was referring to the gun store employee leading you and viet4. It was good of you to voice your misunderstanding, helps to clear it up.

I did once, long ago, speak to a DOJ employee on the phone who also thought the case had to be inaccessible. I didn't know enough to correct him then, and I hope he isn't still misinforming the public. There are plenty of gun store employees, and folks who should know better, to do it for him.

[supersonic]

The gun must be unloaded and in a locked container (except for the glove box/console) period. That's all there is to the law. Personally, when I am driving (even when not carrying) I have a non-CCW gun - one that is too big, powerful, & bulky to carry - sitting right behind my passenger seat on the floor. It is locked in a Micro BioVault with 2 FULL magazines resting right against it.
I have now had ONE LEO interaction in which I was asked if there was anything illegal in my car. I had noticed that one of the 2 cops was looking very closely at the floor area behind my passenger's seat (from outside the car, of course - I gave no permission for a search), so my answer was "No, nothing illegal whatsoever. Just my 10MM Glock with 2 full mags in a GunVault." The cop I was saying that to said, and I quote, "Um....Oh."... Noticing the 'funny' look on his face, I stated again how there was "nothing illegal" in my car, when his partner chimed in "Yeah, I saw the Gunvault, you're good. We know it's fine to have as long as it's locked in a case." This was the Sacramento P.D. responding to a "suspicious person" report in which I was mistaken for somebody else.

[badreligion]

For the same money or less I would look into getting a lockable Pelican case.

1. It doesn't scream gun, while your taking it from home to car to work.
2. The Foam will keep the gun(s) and mags from getting beat up.
3. A cable with eyes or cable lock can bethreaded to the handle and locks to secure it to your desk or the frame of your car seats and stored in the case other times.

I personally have a Pelican 1500 that I keep my unloaded holstered trunk/truck pistol , loaded mags, flashlights, extra batteries, extra ammo and other items in for my day to day travels. I keep a small sports duffle bag with food, water, tools and clothes on top of it to further keep it out of sight.

[wamphyri13]

Ryan I was referring to the gun store employee leading you and viet4. It was good of you to voice your misunderstanding, helps to clear it up.

I did once, long ago, speak to a DOJ employee on the phone who also thought the case had to be inaccessible. I didn't know enough to correct him then, and I hope he isn't still misinforming the public. There are plenty of gun store employees, and folks who should know better, to do it for him.

Got it. We're clear. It's cool. No problems.
Ryan