Transfer Fees!!

[Droc101]

I can't quote from my phone but I definitely know its what they have to do, just sucks that's all. I know of one places that charges $50 for dros. $25 is their markup. They also charge $100 to do an out of state transfer plus dros and tax. On top of that they won't price match. I understand all fees and from a business owner perspective I definitely see the markup, especially in ths economy, just my frustrations that shops end up sending you out the door with up to $100 in fees just to purchase a firearm. And on top of that we have to wait ten days. That's all I was getting at.

Totally see where you are coming from. Like I said, I know that we don't charge anything for a new gun purchased at our location, and all of the places that I have purchased from are the same way. the only time i have ever been charged dealer fees is when I am doing a dealer transfer or a ppt

[VTRweasel]

You'll be hard pressed to prove that they did not preform another service and include it on the reciept but, you should confront them and inquire about it. If it truely was a PPT (was the gun shipped to them? or, did you meet the seller in their shop?) and they overcharged you, I would strongly recommend against doing anymore bussiness with them.

The seller and I both went to the shop. We both had our HG safety certs. All they did was transfer ownership, give me the 10 second safe handling test and store the gun for ten days.

This was in Campbell. I'm going to call a couple more local shops.

[Ultimate]

Do the dealers have an organization that represents them? I think if not they should organize and demand less responsibility/costs.

I think a fair fee would be 0..... of course I am dreaming but one has to admit that it sucks that we have to pay to have our rights infringed upon hahaha.

I think 35 dollars for both transfers and PPTs are as fair as it can get for both parties considering the unfair circumstances. Neither should be taxed if the firearm is used since someone already paid the sales tax. Out of state transfers shouldn't be taxed as well like when you buy something from an online merchant that is based in a different state.

[CSACANNONEER]

Am I the only one that feels that the dros fee ($25) should be waived by dealers when purchasing a new gun? Most guns are already 500+ dealers should cover that cost or include it in the price. Sucks when you find a good deal on a gun, then the invoice comes up as $500 for gun, $25 for dros, $40-50 ffl fee then tax at near 10% in the east bay. Otd price becomes $625+ when it should be $550 +/-. At least hide it in the price of ther gun or something so we don't feel like we are getting jacked on firearm purchases.

You're not the only one who thinks that gunshops should pay you to take their guns. In the case of paying DROS, FFL fees, and sales tax, you must be confused. If a shop is selling you a gun from their inventory, they collect nd keep the sale price of the gun and that's it. They also collect sales tax and DROS fees which are turned over to the State. If a shop is charging you "FFL fees" for a firearm from their inventory, find a new shop. If they are charging you "FFL fees" for a firearm you purchased elsewhere and had shipped to them, sorry, you either need to pay their fee for using their licenses and storefront or get your own FFL.

Do the dealers have an organization that represents them? I think if not they should organize and demand less responsibility/costs.

I think a fair fee would be 0..... of course I am dreaming but one has to admit that it sucks that we have to pay to have our rights infringed upon hahaha.

I think 35 dollars for both transfers and PPTs are as fair as it can get for both parties considering the unfair circumstances. Neither should be taxed if the firearm is used since someone already paid the sales tax. Out of state transfers shouldn't be taxed as well like when you buy something from an online merchant that is based in a different state.

You do understand that $25 out of the $35 goes to the State, right? So, the dealer makes a $10 profit and is responsible for sending the rest of it to the State. As far as buying from out of state goes, paying use tax has been the law for many, many years. Anytime you buy from out of state, you are responsible for declaring the transaction and paying for it when you do your state income tax. This goes for ALL out of state purchases. If you have not been paying taxes on your out of state purchases, you are commiting tax evasion. Since you are implying that this is the case, you might want to contact an attorney before you end up becoming a convicted felon.

[Droc101]

I think a fair fee would be 0..... of course I am dreaming but one has to admit that it sucks that we have to pay to have our rights infringed upon hahaha.

But the problem lies in the fact that as long as we have to do the brady backgrounds and the storage of all that paperwork for so long it will cost a shop money to allow you to exercise your rights. the only way to offset that cost to keep doors open is to charge a fee. Granted I feel some shops are more fair than others, thats why I am glad I have the freedom to chose where to spend my money. I do not believe that any agency or government has the right to tell a business what they can and cannot charge, however the country that I am a citizen of disagrees. So this is the catch 22 that FFL's and the unlicensed share.

[Droc101]

You're not the only one who thinks that gunshops should pay you to take their guns. In the case of paying DROS, FFL fees, and sales tax, you must be confused. If a shop is selling you a gun from their inventory, they collect nd keep the sale price of the gun and that's it. They also collect sales tax and DROS fees which are turned over to the State. If a shop is charging you "FFL fees" for a firearm from their inventory, find a new shop. If they are charging you "FFL fees" for a firearm you purchased elsewhere and had shipped to them, sorry, you either need to pay their fee for using their licenses and storefront or get your own FFL.



You do understand that $25 out of the $35 goes to the State, right? So, the dealer makes a $10 profit and is responsible for sending the rest of it to the State. As far as buying from out of state goes, paying use tax has been the law for many, many years. Anytime you buy from out of state, you are responsible for declaring the transaction and paying for it when you do your state income tax. This goes for ALL out of state purchases. If you have not been paying taxes on your out of state purchases, you are commiting tax evasion. Since you are implying that this is the case, you might want to contact an attorney before you end up becoming a convicted felon.

Well Put

[BostonFan]

What I don't understand is why can't the doj be more like the dmv. Let us do our own private party transfers and such. Take the shop out of the equation so they have to worry about it.

Because lets face the facts, illegal firearms are going to continue to be obtained illegally whether a ffl registers them or not. All this whole process does its make it harder on everyone and it sounds like it hurts the shops the most.

If it was like the dmv they could continue to charge the 25 dros fee and just like a car dealer includes it in the total price if the car a gun shop would do the same. Then for private party transfers you employ fines and such for going past a 10 day period just like with cars. It would be so much easier

[Bullwinkle]

Ahhh... but your premise is based on a false assumption. You're assuming that the "powers that be" want things to be easier for you. They don't. Since they can't ban guns outright, they instead do whatever they can to make it difficult and/or more expensive to get one, in an attempt to "discourage" gun ownership w/o actually preventing it. Welcome to CA... although the disease is not limited to CA alone (i.e. there are other nat'l level players attempting to do the same things).

[BostonFan]

No I'm not assuming that they want things to be easier. Hell the things in this thread alone prove the exact opposite. I was just stating my opinion on my idea to make it easier

[jimsgotthedeal]

I still don't know what the original poster is referring to when they say they charge $45.

If that's a PPT charge then it's breaking the law. If it's an FFL transfer then it's a smokin' deal. But if it's an FFL transfer is it $45 + $25 DROS?

I fully respect the opinons expressed in this thread.

BUT.......
Some of you have stated "oh $35 is the max for the transfer"....why yes it is IN SOME CASES (Dealer Transfers), we only charge $25 for those (NO PROFIT FOR US IN THIS FEE)

However there is no limit on "Transfer Only" deals, the DOJ DOES NOT HAVE A SAY IN WHAT WE CHARGE FOR THAT.

Some places do charge more than us but keep in mind that a dealer has to pay for the space your gun will be held in aswell as keeping accurate records of the sale. Some folks may have higher overheads than us.

In my mind the BOTTOM LINE is as I originally stated, it's no fun paying fees!




If you need more info on the DOJ rules or How transfers work please call Jim owner of California Derringer 650-218-4185

Angie

[Rhythm of Life]

Some places do charge more than us but keep in mind that a dealer has to pay for the space your gun will be held in aswell as keeping accurate records of the sale. Some folks may have higher overheads than us.

I understand its a business, but the service you provide does not require skill, it is not labor intensive and its something I would do at cost just to get more gun owners or repeat business.

But then again I don't own my own store, I've just worked for quite a few and unfortunately had the chance to see where they went wrong....

You get customers on accessories, fees and major items are closer to cost, this way its easier to get add-on sales (money makers). But if your not good at selling your products I can understand working on alternate means to get revenue.

[Bullwinkle]

but the service you provide does not require skill,

You don't think it requires skill to understand CA firearm laws?!?

[Rhythm of Life]

You don't think it requires skill to understand CA firearm laws?!?

Its not the understanding of laws it has nothing to do with that .... Its the paperwork just like filing taxes (which is a 1000% easier) and I've been doing that since 16, its basic bureaucratic paperwork.

You might be THAT GUY that comes in and makes a transfer take 2 hours because you cannot figure out which table to fill in with what information.

[kmca]

I fully respect the opinons expressed in this thread.

BUT.......
Some of you have stated "oh $35 is the max for the transfer"....why yes it is IN SOME CASES (Dealer Transfers), we only charge $25 for those (NO PROFIT FOR US IN THIS FEE)

However there is no limit on "Transfer Only" deals, the DOJ DOES NOT HAVE A SAY IN WHAT WE CHARGE FOR THAT.

Some places do charge more than us but keep in mind that a dealer has to pay for the space your gun will be held in aswell as keeping accurate records of the sale. Some folks may have higher overheads than us.

In my mind the BOTTOM LINE is as I originally stated, it's no fun paying fees!




If you need more info on the DOJ rules or How transfers work please call Jim owner of California Derringer 650-218-4185

Angie

Seems to me, that we're stumbling over terminology.

[Droc101]

Seems to me, that we're stumbling over terminology.

Agreed. Angie, I might suggest re-reading my earlier post or better yet here is the Attorney Generals FAQ:

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/pubfaqs.php#8

How much is the Dealer's Record of Sale (DROS) fee?
The State's DROS fee is $19.00 which covers the costs of the background checks and transfer registry. There is also a required $1.00 Firearms Safety Testing fee and a $5.00 Safety and Enforcement fee. If the transaction being processed is a dealer sale, consignment return, or return from pawn, the dealer may impose other charges as long as this amount is clearly shown as a "dealer fee" and not misrepresented as a state fee. In the event of a private party transfer, the firearms dealer may additionally charge a fee of $10 per firearm transferred.

When settling on the purchase price of a firearm and before completing the transaction, you may want to ask the dealer to disclose and identify any and all fees he/she is charging to complete the transaction.

(PC Sections 12076, 12082, and 12806)

This should clear up the verbage.