Transfer Fees!!

[jimsgotthedeal]

I don't know about you but I hate paying for extras, like shipping and transfer fees. It's nice to find a good price but by the time I am done with all the "add on's", I would end up paying the same amount or less at a local store.
Which brings me to my question:

What do you think is a reasonable charge for transfers? At California Derringer our regular customers pay $35, the very first transfer is $45.

What are you paying?

Do you think our price is fair?

(Keep in mind that we pay a fee of $25 for each transfer, this leaves a wopping $10 dollar profit) We don't overchare because we value our customers and are happy to help with a transfer, shoot we'll even help find you some ammo!

Speak your mind, and enjoy this beautiful day!!!!

Angie

[Rhythm of Life]

$35.

$10 profit for 15 minutes work ($40 hr), especially when its just paperwork.... seems fair.

I'm talking PPT, am I on the same page?

[kmca]

I don't know about you but I hate paying for extras, like shipping and transfer fees. It's nice to find a good price but by the time I am done with all the "add on's", I would end up paying the same amount or less at a local store.
Which brings me to my question:

What do you think is a reasonable charge for transfers? At California Derringer our regular customers pay $35, the very first transfer is $45.

What are you paying?

Do you think our price is fair?

(Keep in mind that we pay a fee of $25 for each transfer, this leaves a wopping $10 dollar profit) We don't overchare because we value our customers and are happy to help with a transfer, shoot we'll even help find you some ammo!

Speak your mind, and enjoy this beautiful day!!!!

Angie

Is that including the DROS fee? If it does, that's MORE than reasonable, assuming you're not talking about PPT.

[Heiko]

I haven't done a PPT at my usual FFL but have had a couple of guns shipped there. They charge $65 including DROS. That means they make $40 on the deal. I would rather not pay that much but I understand it. They have to receive the gun, put it in their books and sort of be responsible for that gun, and theoretically have lost out on a sale. I consider it the cost of finding a deal online and after I factor in that cost, shipping costs, versus the dealer markup and sales tax, I still come out way ahead. I have gotten one deal where another FFL gave me a "good guy" deal and only charged me DROS when I had an OLL shipped from Spike's.

[7anthony7]

If you are talking a PPT, $35 is the most they can charge. For a shipped gun I pay $50 which includes the DROS. I have heard some gunshops trying to get creative with the PPT fee and it sounds like DOJ is on that from when I talked to them last.

[FNH5-7]

OP, are you talking about private party transfers or internet transfers?

[Bullwinkle]

I don't know about you but I hate paying for extras, like shipping and transfer fees.

You and me both, sister! Especially when I don't have a choice (i.e. a transfer must take place by a licensed FFL), so it's kind of a monopoly industry.

I found a new gun on gunbroker.com once, went searching for a local FFL to handle the transfer (this was way back when I was a newb and this was my first attempt at it), and the first guy I went to said he wouldn't do it because, "If you want a new gun you can buy one from me." He would only deal in used guns. Okay, I'm a reasonable guy and I can see his point-of-view... but then shouldn't he have offered to match the price (w/shipping included) instead of charging full MSRP? So I never went back there for anything since.

Then there's the local retailer here who charges three digits (plus DROS) for transfers! His reasoning is, "I take all the risk and could lose my business over a paper error, and get no profit from it." Well, he's got a point too (to a certain degree), but there's a difference between "profit" and "gouging" (or just charging an extreme amount so you don't have to deal with it). Needless to say, I don't give him any business either.

The person I've used in the past currently charges $35 (plus DROS). He's the lowest in San Diego County (of which I'm aware). I think most FFLs here charge $50-60 (plus DROS), though admittedly I haven't priced around in a few years (can't get the guns--used or new--I want in CA anyway). So if you charge $45/$35 w/DROS included for transfers from an outside FFL to your customers, that's beyond reasonable by comparison! As budget-conscious (and just plain cheap) consumers I'm sure everyone would prefer lower, but to be honest I personally am more irked about:

• sales tax
• DROS
• HSC
• shipping

(in that order) more than I am about a transfer fee. FFL holders have to eat too. The earlier post about $40/hr for paperwork is a good one though (IMO) and puts things in perspective.

[jtmkinsd]

$35.

$10 profit for 15 minutes work ($40 hr), especially when its just paperwork.... seems fair.

I'm talking PPT, am I on the same page?

15 minutes? Sure, if both parties have their act together with the proper ID/POA etc. Oh, and don't forget about the 20 years of storage, and added administrative time of properly filing the packet...The PPT fee is mandated by the state. We lose money on these transfers. It was always funny to me the state will tell us we have to "suck it up" when it comes to our fee for PPT's, but the state still gets their full fee. A "fair" fee for a transfer is always contingent on the cost of doing business. Anyone who looks into what the overhead is on a firearms transfer business might have a little better understanding of why the average transfer fee is what it is.

[jimsgotthedeal]

Tranfers can be complicated by we want to simplify!

There are different types of private party transfers:

Some involve the actual sale of the firearm by the dealer, in those cases the transfer fee is $25 including the DROS (Buyer pays DROS)

Others involve the owner of a firearm selling to their friend, relative, inherit, gift etc.
These are called
"Transfers Only" $45 for the first gun
$35 for each additional gun
Includes DROS $25 FEE

The paperwork and process of putting the gun in your hand takes time, there is also proper documentation, safe handling and secured space is provided for the gun at California Derringer.

ANGIE

[VTRweasel]

Um, I've only done one PPT and it was 60 bucks. I didn't think to shop around.

[Droc101]

Tranfers can be complicated by we want to simplify!

There are different types of private party transfers:

Some involve the actual sale of the firearm by the dealer, in those cases the transfer fee is $25 including the DROS (Buyer pays DROS)

Others involve the owner of a firearm selling to their friend, relative, inherit, gift etc.
These are called
"Transfers Only" $45 for the first gun
$35 for each additional gun
Includes DROS $25 FEE

The paperwork and process of putting the gun in your hand takes time, there is also proper documentation, safe handling and secured space is provided for the gun at California Derringer.

ANGIE

your verbage is a bit off.

PPT (private party transfer) is between two non FFL parties with a FFL intermediary

Dealer transfer is a firearm from FFL to non FFL. This may be a used or new gun, locally purchased or shipped into a local ffl from either another ffl or an out of state/area private party.

The most that can be charged total for PPT is 35. (25 dros 10 dealer)
Dealer transfers are unrestricted.
At Ralston's a dealer transfer will get you for $50 plus dros. We are the cheapest in the county. The overhead is a major factor in the amount charged but we do believe in making it as affordable as possible. The other places in the county are double+ our rate.

[jimsgotthedeal]

638

Did this place used to be Krausewerk Collectibles?

Looking at the website, $595 for S&W 638?! Used!?

No Krausewerk is still there, and so are we =)

The used one is a 642+P on our site for $595 but for a cal guns user we can do $575, Like New in Box

We have a 638+P .38 SPECIAL $645 Brand NEW!

ANGIE

[7anthony7]

Tranfers can be complicated by we want to simplify!

There are different types of private party transfers:

Some involve the actual sale of the firearm by the dealer, in those cases the transfer fee is $25 including the DROS (Buyer pays DROS)

Others involve the owner of a firearm selling to their friend, relative, inherit, gift etc.
These are called
"Transfers Only" $45 for the first gun
$35 for each additional gun
Includes DROS $25 FEE

The paperwork and process of putting the gun in your hand takes time, there is also proper documentation, safe handling and secured space is provided for the gun at California Derringer.

ANGIE

For a private party transfer involving one or more handguns, the total allowable fees, including the DROS, safety, and dealer transfer fees, are not to exceed $35.00 for the first handgun and $31.00 for each additional handgun involved in the same transaction.
For private party transfers involving one or more long guns, or a private party transfer involving one handgun, the total allowable fees, including the DROS, safety, and dealer transfer fees, are not to exceed $35.00. The dealer may charge an additional dealer-service fee of$10.00 per each additional firearm transferred.
(PC section 12072(d))

Straight off DOJ website. If someone tries to charge more than 35, call it up and report for a ppt is what they told me.

[CSACANNONEER]

your verbage is a bit off.

PPT (private party transfer) is between two non FFL parties with a FFL intermediary

Dealer transfer is a firearm from FFL to non FFL. This may be a used or new gun, locally purchased or shipped into a local ffl from either another ffl or an out of state/area private party.

The most that can be charged total for PPT is 35. (25 dros 10 dealer)
Dealer transfers are unrestricted.
At Ralston's a dealer transfer will get you for $50 plus dros. We are the cheapest in the county. The overhead is a major factor in the amount charged but we do believe in making it as affordable as possible. The other places in the county are double+ our rate.

Uh, your understanding of PPTs is a little off too. I know more than one FFL who treats consignment guns as PPTs. That way, non rostered handguns can still be displayed and sold in their shops.

Angie,

If you are charging $45 to transfer a firearm between two california residents, you are breaking the law. You might want to consider changing your practises. If I'm misinterpeting your post, I'll apologize in advance.

[Bullwinkle]

Just to remove any doubt, in my previous post I'm talking about an out-of-state transfer... gun ships to FFL here in CA, then is transferred from FFL to me.

However, I did make a (ahem) "slight" mistake in the earlier post... it's $35 FFL transfer fee plus the $25 DROS.