GLOCK vs XD

[Old4eyes]

I'm sure the face of the fellow with the "double glock" is not shown to keep his anonymity intact since he doesn't want people to recognize him on the street and point and laugh.

Idiots like this give ammunition to those that want gun control.

[DaveFJ80]

so I should get a 1911, right?


wait... wut?

[Bill Carson]

It's a serious business

freakin hysterical

[mif_slim]

I like xd more because it fits my hand better then a glock, but because of the double glock vdo, my mind has totally changed! Mind blowing!! Imma get 2 flocks now so I can demonstrate my double glock!

[tacticalcity]

Frankly, the video is complete BS. There are functional and mechnical differences between the firearms that affect your learning curve, effectiveness and tactics.

The XD has a much longer trigger reset, almost twice as long as on a Glock, which means the trigger is considerably harder to master. It can be mastered, but that is not "equal", that is a major draw back.

The XD sights are high-up on the slide, resulting in height over bore issues. Something usually associated with long rifles. Your point of aim point of impact noticably changes within CQB distances. Where your point of aim point of impact is, changes radically as you get closer, more so than you would expect. If the sights were lower, and closer to the bore like on the Glock this would be a non-issue. Again, you can train through this problem. However, almost no shooters do. They just rely on plinking at a bench rest only range. Which means they have no idea the problem even exists, or how to compensate for it.

There is a lot more to firearms than how they feel in your hand, how they look in a photograph, or how they perform during bench rest plinking. Those who say the Glock and XD are equal, is not taking the entire picture into account. Odds are they simply lack the necessary handgun training to know better. The XD is far from a Glock killer, and far from being Glock's equal. Yes it is very comfortable in the hand, and looks a little cooler in pictures, but that is where the XD's superiority ends.

If all you are going to do with it is dust it off, and go plinking then the video is right...either will do. If there is the slightest possibility you are going to have to defend your life with it, then the XD is going to have some additional issues you are going to have to train through that you would not have to worry about with the Glock.

[RollingCode3]

Frankly, the video is complete BS. There are functional and mechnical differences between the firearms that affect your learning curve, effectiveness and tactics.

The XD has a much longer trigger reset, almost twice as long as on a Glock, which means the trigger is considerably harder to master.

The XD sights are high-up on the slide, resulting in height over bore issues. Something usually associated with long rifles. Your point of aim point of impact noticably changes with distance. You cannot simply rely on your sights. At certain distances you have to make manual adjustments. It could mean the difference between shooting a hostage or shooting the bad guy.

Again, you can train through this...but maybe 1% of all XD owners actually will spend the time and effort to learn their holes at various distances and train realistically. Most will rely on bench rest practice at fixed distances and assume their sights are are good to go for all CQB distances. If the sights were lower, and closer to the bore like on the Glock this would be a non-issue.

There is a lot more to firearms than how they feel in your hand, how they look in a photograph, or how they perform during bench rest plinking. Those who say there is very little difference between the Glock and XD, is not taking the entire picture into account. The XD is far from a Glock killer, and far from being Glock's equal. Yes it is very comfortable in the hand, but that is where the XD's superiority ends.

+1.... waiting for the XD fanboy to jump in.

[tacticalcity]

I cleaned my post up a bit, to get my point across more clearly, but I appreciate someone sharing this point of view.

There are specific things about the Glock professionals like, that the "Glock Killers" have all failed to accomplish. They focused on the end users main complaints, that the Glock is too boxy looking and not very comfortable to hold. Both valid complaints. However, they did not match the Glock's performance because they overlooked the very things that make the Glock the first choice for so many professionals who actually have a choice.

1) Short trigger reset allows for fast and accurate follow up shots with very little jerking. Almost every Glock clone has a much longer reset. The original S&W Sigmas were an exception, however they changed their triggers to have a freakishly long reset (probably as the result of a law suit). The shorter the rest the better. You can train through a long trigger reset, but you will never be as fast or as accurate as you could have been with a shorter one.

2) Trigger safety instead of a thumb safety. This speeds everything up. Again, you can train through having a thumb safety, but you would be faster without one.

3) Consistent trigger pull requiring the same amount of pressure for each trigger pull. Keeping things consistent speeds up the training process so you can master your trigger faster, and become a more accurate and consistent shooter faster. SOA triggers accomplish this as well, but they require a thumb safety. So it becomes a combination thing.

4) Manageable trigger pull weight. The Glock has a 5.5lbs trigger pull. Not so light you'll have an ND if a stiff wind blows, not so stiff you'll need a water break in the middle of every trigger pull. Women, teenagers, and grown men can handle it no problem without shaking and jerking all over the place.

Some of the so called "Glock killers" get 2 or even three of the above right. None of them get them all. Believe me I wish the did. I absolutely hate the Glock's finger grooves in the compact and baby size frames and would love an alternative. But my dislike of those grooves is outweighed by the Glock's more important feature, it's functionality.

If my big fat fingers are the only thing that are uncomfortable during and after a firefight...that is one hell of a good day!

[ricksOe]

I'd still buy an XD over a glock any day.

[tacticalcity]

Without an explination as to why we're left to assume the worst about your reasoning. Educate us. Spell out what about it you like so much that outweighs complaints about a long trigger rest that results in jerky follow-up shots and sights that are too high on the slide and cause point of aim point of impact issues at various distances within 25 yards? What about it makes it worth putting up with those draw backs vs a firearm that does not have them? Explain it to us? We want to understand.

Is it just how you are using it? Do only need to shoot at fixed distances, and with lots of time between shots so those issues do not affect your shooting? If so I can understand that. If you are going to bench rest shooting, which can be a long drawn out process in which the firearm in your hand the entire time and not coming in and out of a holster, than I can understand how a comfortable grip (for example) might actually be worth the emphasis most shooters put on it. However, if you are running and gunning, working from holster, and trainin/working in a dymanic shooting enviorment I would like to know what about the XD makes it a better choice for you?

I'm all for the right tool for the right job. I'm just curious about what role the XD is filling for you that makes it a superior choice?

[hefedehefe]

XD all the way. I shoot glocks too. I've seen people shoot glocks before and have seen them fire of more than 1 round unintentionally. As for the sights, well I have no problem with those. I would take either over a 1911 though

[tacticalcity]

Again, I have to ask why? Give me some specific examples of what makes it a better choice for you? You always see lots of people say they like something over a Glock, but cannot spell out what exactly makes it a better choice for them...or at least do not have an answer to my questions about trigger rest or other issues known to be associated with their firearm of choice. They like it because it is the one they like. They don't give more information that.

My first thought would be to ask whether or not you are training realistically or bench rest shooting? The benefits I am citing above only become noticable when you move from bench rest shooting to training in a more dynamic/realistic manner. If you're stuck behind the bench you'll never notice the difference. Not unless the target distance is adjustable and somebody walks you through the trigger rest drills on both firearms side by side so you can experience the drastic difference for yourself.

Hey, if bench rest shooting makes you happy...then that is a good thing. I am not criticising you. However, if a gunfight should ever find you...things work a lot differently and those differences will be an issue (unless you invested considerable time overcoming them in combat training). Bench rest shooting is NOT proper training for self defense. It is only the very first step in a very long training process. As you advance to the next step, some features of your firearm will aid in your progress, and some will hurt. The XD has two features that a lot of professionals are discovering actually hurt. Two features the Glock does not share with XD. Both Glocks and 1911s have the most amount things that aid in training, and least amount of things that hurt. That is why professionals love them so much. You can train through the flaws of other firearms, I just don't understand why you would want to when you do not have to. Plus, those flaws are indeed flaws...making the firearm less than equal.

[jptopz]

I'm sure the face of the fellow with the "double glock" is not shown to keep his anonymity intact since he doesn't want people to recognize him on the street and point and laugh.

Idiots like this give ammunition to those that want gun control.

I could not agree more! Unbelievable!

As far as the Glock vs XD who cares! Some like Fords Chevys, or Dodges. That is the wonderful thing about verity we all can have what we want. They are both great guns.

[VTRweasel]

:twofinger

Your just saying that cuz I posted the same vid on barf before this thread

so I should get a 1911, right?


wait... wut?

[kel-tec-innovations]

Can I re-post the infamous "Double Glock?"

AHHH airsoft >.<

[BamBam-31]

AHHH airsoft >.<

I sure hope so, or else he's got a living room and kitchen riddled with bullet holes!