I think I had an ND today...

[Josh3239]

I am still a little puzzled over how this happend, but luckily nobody was hurt and nothing was damaged. Not too much drama but I figured I'd pass it on anyway.

I took a buddy of mine to the range today and one of the guns I brought with me was my Glock with two slides. The original .40 slide assembly and the AA .22LR slide assembly. As we were shooting through different guns and taking turns, I decided it was my time to shoot but my Glock was wearing the .22LR slide and I wanted the .40 slide. In order to remove the slide, the first step is to pull the trigger. I typically put handguns down after removing the magazine and locking the slide back. My friend had been shooting the Glock and he had removed the magazine but didn't lock the slide back (I think I'll teach him how to do that next time).

This is where it gets confusing. As I always do when I pick up a handgun. I point it in a safe direction and check it to see if it is loaded. My friend was standing right next to me and saw me do this. I saw the magazine was removed and I pulled the slide back to visually check for a round. I suppose this time I wasn't paying much attention to the visually part but the slide was definetly pulled back and released. Luckily the handgun was facing a safe direction and I pulled the trigger and a .22LR fired. I still managed to hit the target actually (it was an indoor range with the auto targets so I brought it right in front of us). It was only a .22LR, but it being totally unexpected made it feel like it was much bigger, then again maybe because I had brought the handgun closer to my body and was looking closely at the handgun. The look on my face pretty quickly told my friend that I did not do that purpose. Needless to say, while we packing up later that night I did several chamber checks on my guns many times over to make sure they weren't loaded (they weren't).

On the drive home I couldn't tell him enough how confused I was that I didn't see the round and that it didn't eject when I pulled the slide. I thought perhaps I didn't pull it all the way back, but it is a .22LR. The actions are so short that I'd have to try to pull it back and not eject whatever was in there. Also, I could have sworn that Advantage Arms slides won't shoot without a magazine in there. Apparently they do.

Lessons learned tonight:
- Teach friends how to lock open the slide and make sure it is done on all guns being set down.
- When you visually inspect to see if the chamber is loaded, actually pay attention as the motions aren't enough.

All in all it was a fun day and even with the ND I still hit my target

[Munk]

This is more accidental than negligent.... negligence to me seems to mean you weren't pointing in a safe direction, and that there was careless danger involved. Stuff happens, and with reasonable precaution, it's a non-issue.

At least you learned some valuable lessons.... guns CAN fail to eject (at bad times) and that glocks have a stupid dissassembly procedure.

[Blackhawk556]

well at least nobody was hurt

that's what matters most

[technique]

I'd have to say it's negligent. He knows his stuff, and knows he failed.
Accidents happen due to negligence...AD is still a ND.

Glad you learned a lesson, glad you're safe as well as all involved.

[MAC USMC]

Well intended story to remind us all not to take SAFETY casually because it could very well result in a CASUALTY.


Thanks for the reminder. Here is a story to make you feel better.

A few years ago two friends went on a duck hunt. They had a really neat aluminum duck hunting boat, very stable, camo netting, etc. As they placed all the gear in the boat, ducks were spotted on the horizon. As one hunter qquickly loaded his shotgun he placed in the boat. His retriever dog excitedly jumped onto the boat and both front feet hit the shotgun. It discharged blowing a sizeable hole BELOW the waterline.

The smart dog jumped back onto dry land as the duck boat looked like it had been hit by a cruise missile. Nothing was lost or ruined, but the duck hunt. It was definitely over. Repair work for the duck boat would have paid for a top-of-the-line shotgun with duck radar.

MORAL: HASTE MAKES WASTE

[SJgunguy24]

This is more accidental than negligent.... negligence to me seems to mean you weren't pointing in a safe direction, and that there was careless danger involved. Stuff happens, and with reasonable precaution, it's a non-issue.

At least you learned some valuable lessons.... guns CAN fail to eject (at bad times) and that glocks have a stupid dissassembly procedure.

Sorry dude but "accidental discharge" means the gun failed, the gun didn't fail.

"Negligent discharge" means the operator failed, the operator did fail to check the chamber.
Some aw s**t's can turn really bad really fast. Some times it costs people their lives. Let this be a lesson, DO NOT TAKE FIREARM SAFETY FOR GRANTED.

[Booshanky]

Sometimes it helps to just drop a finger into the chamber to feel for brass. I do that a lot.

[ZombieTactics]

This is almost a classic rendering of the "magic bullet" scenario.

You thought you cleared the weapon, but had somehow become complacent in your methods and didn't really check it correctly. This happens more than anyone likes to admit.

Thankfully, you were operating within the "four rules", and this prevented a tragic incident. You are to be commended in this respect.

[zman]

It takes courage to share stories like these so I am glad you stepped up Thankfully, everyone's OK.

I have to agree with tech and SJ though that it was a ND.

[evidens83]

Good to read nobody was hurt. Another reminder that no matter how sure we are we cant be sure enough.

[paul0660]

So why didn't the .22 eject?

[RolinThundr]

I have developed a habit when checking my chamber that may help. I have an XD and just like the OP's Glock, pulling the trigger is part of the dis-assembly process. What I do is (finger off the trigger and pointed in a safe direction) turn my gun so the ejection port is facing the ground and rack the slide a couple of times to make sure that any round in the chamber is ejected, then I lock the slide back and visually check the chamber.

Using a finger to check as mentioned above may also be a good idea anytime you feel that you might be hurried/distracted.

Glad no one was hurt.

[MossbergMan]

Thanks for the safety reminder, "stuff happens" and never be complacent about gun safety. I have had ND's all in safe directions, but all my fault.
Moral of the story is here: Never take anything involving guns or gun safety for granted.

FYI: Magazine disconnects are a function found in the frame of a handgun. If the base model doesn't have a magazine disconnect on it, anything you add on the top of the frame will not affect the bottom end of the gun (unless you replace parts other than the magazine - which the AA system or Ceiner's do not require). S&W is famous for it's magazine disconnects as are Browning Hi-Powers.....not Glocks. That's one reason you'll never see a Gen 4 Glock in CA. until the Certified List is history, no disconnect.
AND NEVER EXPECT A FIREARM PART (safety) TO REPLACE COMMON SENSE AND THE 4 BASIC FIREARM SAFETY RULES.

[gorenut]

Your story is actually part of why I got rid of my .22 LR conversion kit and just ditched the idea of bringing any different caliber conversions to the range. I usually bring only 1 or 2 handguns to the range at a time, but sometimes I bring more if I'm introducing new people.. but having all the different exchanges and handguns makes it too easy to lose track of whats happening. I had a very similar situation happen to me way back, also with a .22 LR. Now I have every gun stick with 1 caliber at the range and just worry about less things.

[faterikcartman]

Negligent. Lucky you were following other safety rules and no one was hurt and your life ruined with law suits and/or prosecution. Everyone should remember you rarely get a do-over when you screw up with guns.