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  • PutTogether
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 2370

    The Sig P220 - Why? Explain it to me...

    I'm not trying to start an "X vs Y" thread, or beat a dead horse, but I don't recall seeing what I am about to ask specifically discussed here.

    I merely want to describe what goes through my mind when I handle, shoot, touch, look at, or even think about a P220, and I want to see how others react to it. There MUST be something to it that I'm missing as it is one of the more popular pistols made.

    Basically the question is why own one? Given the caliber, capacity, size, and to a lesser extent, weight, what advantage does a 220 have over a 1911? I don't mean to sound like a drooling JMB fanboy, but the 1911 seems to hold the edge in most every conceivable manner - and not just as a matter of preference.

    The 220s grip is huge. Almost anyone can get better hold of a 1911. The capacity is the same. 8 standard you can go 10 if you don't mind a mag that sticks out a bit. Caliber is the same. The 220 has a bit of an edge in weight, but you can easily get an alloy 1911. The 220 is a TINY bit shorter, in standard form, but both guns are available in a few size configurations. The 1911 seems easier to conceal since given the same other dimensions, it is noticeably slimmer.

    I know the difference isn't price - neither is cheap. (but even the best 1911 magazines are affordable compared to Sig mags)

    The only thing I can come up with is the trigger. I could follow the logic that someone REALLY likes the DA/SA trigger and not wanting to flip a safety lever while drawing under pressure. I can see that, but that can't be the only reason. In fact, if that were the only reason, obviously the SAO version would never exist. (I REALLY don't get the SAO 220 vs 1911 idea)

    Are there people who just prefer the feel of a DA SA trigger to an SA trigger?


    I know I'm missing something (except in the case of the SAO version - that just seems crazy) and I'm hoping someone can explain it to me without flaming me for being an idiot.

    I want to like the 220. But every single time I go to shoot one I just think "for a gun this size that is only going to hold 8 or 10 - why not a 1911?"
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  • #2
    Foriegn power
    Banned
    • Dec 2009
    • 1035

    It's a nice pistola, subjective but good looking great feeling good shooting. But although I like the 1911 grip better.

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    • #3
      trashman
      Veteran Member
      • Dec 2006
      • 3823

      I'm a 1911 guy, but I broke down and bought a P220 10 years ago because it was in .38 super ...still have it. They are nicely built handguns, ingenious design, and they just run like tops.

      Recently bought a SAO P220 in .45ACP; I have to say, I love that gun - very accurate, very easy to shoot accurately at long-ish ranges (~45 yards @ Panoche!) even with the relatively short barrel.

      Never fully understood the fascination though - without fail whenever any of my friends see inside my safe they always point to that two-tone P220 SAO and say "now THAT'S a nice gun"...looking past the umpteen hand-fitted S&W revolvers I have....

      --Neill
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      • #4
        faterikcartman
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2006
        • 1404

        You lost me at "the grip is huge", it is a single stack design that even my wife thinks is a great fit. Are you sure you're not confusing the P220 with a double stack Sig design?
        I am not your lawyer. I am not giving you or anyone else who reads my posts legal advice. I am making off-the-cuff comments that may or may not be accurate and are personal, not professional, opinion. If you think you need a lawyer please retain a qualified attorney in your jurisdiction. Your local bar association may be able to help if you need a referral.

        Two Weeks!: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/a...p/t-59936.html

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          Chach
          Member
          • Apr 2007
          • 386

          Same reason why some people prefer a Mercedes to a BMW or vice versa. It's all just personal preference.

          Personally I prefer my 220s to my 1911s. But both styles are very nice. Then again, I also prefer the feel of my HK USP to a 1911 (though it's a .40, but I believe it has the same dimensions as the .45 USP.)

          It all boils down to a 'To each their own' kind of thing.
          - El Guapo
          www.fotki.com/chach


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          • #7
            freonr22
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Dec 2008
            • 12945

            I have a longslide hardballer, ss, ant just got a p220st. i shot both yesterday, and for never shooting a sig ever, found it to be really nice. I am contemplating getting thinner grips, not so much for shooting, but picking it up, i agree grips felt huge. but when shooting felt normal. over all, it was really nice. I dont know if i could ever get rid of the 1911...

            Originally posted by freonr22
            shot it yesterday @ friend's property... pretty cool! hitting co2 soda keg moa @ 50-60 yards, first tries! woo hoo!! although i might like some slimmer grips maybe, any thoughts that arent the $175 Nils? maybe a $40ish-$65ish range?
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            Originally posted by dantodd
            We will win. We are right. We will never stop fighting.
            Originally posted by bwiese
            They don't believe it's possible, but then Alison didn't believe there'd be 350K - 400K OLLs in CA either.
            Originally posted by louisianagirl
            Our fate is ours alone to decide as long as we remain armed heavily enough to dictate it.

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            • #8
              sigfan91
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Jun 2009
              • 10778

              P220 works right out of the box...to the point of being boring. It works. No need to tune it.

              1911 needs tuning. If it doesn't, then it probably costs some serious $. On the other hand, some people prefer tuning the gun themselves and see this as an advantage.

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              • #9
                UserM4
                Senior Member
                • Apr 2010
                • 1687

                Some people care about reliability above all else.
                While we're here arguing about the latest high tech running shoes, there's some Kenyan out there running barefoot. Guess who's gonna win the marathon?

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                • #10
                  PutTogether
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 2370

                  Originally posted by sigfan91
                  P220 works right out of the box...to the point of being boring. It works. No need to tune it.

                  e.

                  I totally grasp this concept. Thinking about it though, two things trip me up. One, for the same size and weight, you have many other choices of modern gun that are equally boringly reliable, much higher capacity AND less expensive. Two, for roughly the same size, weight, capacity, and cost you can find a 1911 that is just as reliable. Sig actually makes a 1911 just as reliable.

                  Maybe my bias comes from not liking DA/SA triggers, which means if I were to own a 220 it would be an SAO......which means then I REALLY don't see why not just get another 1911.

                  There has to be a more quantifiable reason than people just like them and they are reliable. Or maybe there doesn't.

                  Again, while It may seem like I'm trying to make a 20 vs 1911 thread - I'm not. I'm trying to make a "why a 220 vs anything else" thread. It just seems to me that its logical competitor in the "really nice pistol" or "8rd capacity" pistol" categories would be the 1911. I guess in the "reliable as hell" category a worthy contender would be the Glock/XD/M&P lines. But it seems like if you are drawn to the 220 over those guns, it is because you like fine pistols, and if you like fine pistols............... you see where I am going.
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                  • #11
                    freonr22
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 12945

                    Originally posted by PutTogether
                    I totally grasp this concept. Thinking about it though, two things trip me up. One, for the same size and weight, you have many other choices of modern gun that are equally boringly reliable, much higher capacity AND less expensive. Two, for roughly the same size, weight, capacity, and cost you can find a 1911 that is just as reliable. Sig actually makes a 1911 just as reliable.

                    Maybe my bias comes from not liking DA/SA triggers, which means if I were to own a 220 it would be an SAO......which means then I REALLY don't see why not just get another 1911.

                    There has to be a more quantifiable reason than people just like them and they are reliable. Or maybe there doesn't.

                    Again, while It may seem like I'm trying to make a 20 vs 1911 thread - I'm not. I'm trying to make a "why a 220 vs anything else" thread. It just seems to me that its logical competitor in the "really nice pistol" or "8rd capacity" pistol" categories would be the 1911. I guess in the "reliable as hell" category a worthy contender would be the Glock/XD/M&P Plastic/tupperware lines. But it seems like if you are drawn to the 220 over those guns, it is because you like fine pistols, and if you like fine pistols............... you see where I am going.

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                    Originally posted by dantodd
                    We will win. We are right. We will never stop fighting.
                    Originally posted by bwiese
                    They don't believe it's possible, but then Alison didn't believe there'd be 350K - 400K OLLs in CA either.
                    Originally posted by louisianagirl
                    Our fate is ours alone to decide as long as we remain armed heavily enough to dictate it.

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                    • #12
                      NewbieDave
                      Senior Member
                      • Feb 2006
                      • 1277

                      Also... muscle memory.

                      My department issues 226/229 in 40. I carry a 220 off duty. No need to cross train on a different system. While I can't speak for *everyone*... but I'm sure there's more then a few here that picked up a 220 because they were trained on a Sig. Why get another plate-form when you can *keep it in the family*.

                      ~dpc

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                      • #13
                        Sam Z
                        Member
                        • Jan 2009
                        • 366

                        break-down/maintenence (disassembly) on a 220 is much easier and more simple than 1911 platform

                        also 220 seems to eat almost any/all ammo compared to 1911 platform
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                          sigfan91
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Jun 2009
                          • 10778

                          Originally posted by PutTogether
                          I totally grasp this concept. Thinking about it though, two things trip me up. One, for the same size and weight, you have many other choices of modern gun that are equally boringly reliable, much higher capacity AND less expensive. Two, for roughly the same size, weight, capacity, and cost you can find a 1911 that is just as reliable. Sig actually makes a 1911 just as reliable.

                          Maybe my bias comes from not liking DA/SA triggers, which means if I were to own a 220 it would be an SAO......which means then I REALLY don't see why not just get another 1911.

                          There has to be a more quantifiable reason than people just like them and they are reliable. Or maybe there doesn't.

                          Again, while It may seem like I'm trying to make a 20 vs 1911 thread - I'm not. I'm trying to make a "why a 220 vs anything else" thread. It just seems to me that its logical competitor in the "really nice pistol" or "8rd capacity" pistol" categories would be the 1911. I guess in the "reliable as hell" category a worthy contender would be the Glock/XD/M&P lines. But it seems like if you are drawn to the 220 over those guns, it is because you like fine pistols, and if you like fine pistols............... you see where I am going.
                          I don't like plastic guns. I have a Glock 19. Glocks are the most reliable guns in the world. But it doesn't fit my hand like my Sig P228.

                          Sig P220 fits my hand. I like the feel of an alloy frame. There are no checkering/protrusion/texture that bite my hand like a plastic gun would. I shoot better because of that.

                          I also like DA/SA without a manual safety. A manual safety is just an extra step that could go wrong under stress.

                          The capacity is low at 8 rounds. But that's the same as a 1911.

                          I don't have a 1911. I do plan to get one just because it's a 1911. I understand a properly tuned 1911 has a superior trigger to just about anything else. But I don't like the manual safety thing. I would not carry it unless I have a lot of training to be comfortable with it.

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                            sigfan91
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • Jun 2009
                            • 10778

                            Originally posted by NewbieDave
                            Also... muscle memory.

                            My department issues 226/229 in 40. I carry a 220 off duty. No need to cross train on a different system. While I can't speak for *everyone*... but I'm sure there's more then a few here that picked up a 220 because they were trained on a Sig. Why get another plate-form when you can *keep it in the family*.

                            ~dpc
                            That's another thing I forgot to list.

                            I have a bunch of Sigs, all alloy frame. I had a Sig Pro, but it did not shoot the same. I can pick up any one of my Sigs and feel very comfortable with it. The Sig Pro felt different in my hand and I just couldn't get used to it. The trigger creep/reset, the grip shape, the decocker, everything felt different. So I sold it to my friend and kept the Glock. Glock is way simpler to operate. It's different enough from my Sigs to not confuse me.

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