Advice on 10mm

[MadMax]

In the market for a 10mm "1911" style handgun and I could use a bit of info on what brand.

I was wanting a kimber but also saw tanfoglio, dan wesson, colt, S&W and even a les baer.

I am leaning tword the kimber but if there is a better option like less expensive for same thing or magazines are better/more available ect I would appruciate the advice.

[HighLander51]

The recoil event of a 10mm is brutal in the 1911 platform, I have a Glock 20 and that is manageable.

[uxo2]

I would go with a Glock if your going to be doing alot
of shooting.

But if you just shoot a couple hundered a year...The a S&W double action.

[dfletcher]

Most of what you listed can't be brought in via the usual FFL - maybe the Kimber and Les Baer are CA OK? I'd like to have a 10mm semi but won't buy a poly framed gun, just my like/dislike nothing wrong with them. I have a 6.5" Smith 610 (earlier model with a full lugged barrel) and recoil is modest as a result. I have a Bond Derringer with a 10 mm barrel - not all that bad, but definitely not an all day shooter.

I have 2 DW 1911s and if their 10 is made at all like their others I'd not hesitate to buy one. I have a Tanfoglio 90 (41 AE & 9mm barrels) and have to say it's a well made gun, kind of surprised me actually. I paid $200.00 for the darn thing at Bullseye - they just wanted to get rid of the darn thing, had only the 41AE barrel at the time. The EAA Witness line is the latest version with a slightly larger frame. No doubt it can handle the 10mm and dollar for dollar a great buy, but I don't think it's in the same category as the Kimber. Still, if I could get one that might be my choice because you can do all sorts of barrel swaps and I suspect, like the 610 revolver, could plink away with 40 S & W with just a barrel and spring change. EAA parts aren't all that expensive either, not as though you'd spend $300.00 for a barrel - my 9mm barrel cost $70.00.

[THT]

My long-slide 10mm Glock is my favorite handgun to shoot. Recoil is very tame even with full power Double Tap loads. I highly suggest going this route if you can.

[Miltiades]

Colt Delta

I would recommend a Colt Delta Elite 10mm if you can find one. I've had the Gold Cup version below for about 12 years and have been quite happy with it. I use Georgia Arms target ammo in the gun and the recoil is similar to a .45 caliber Gold Cup, only it cycles a little faster. I've found the gun to be quite accurate and reliable.

[sammy]

If you want to try my 10mm's I have a G20 and a Smith 1006. I am heading out to USI Sunday morning and we can meet up. I love them both and they have much less recoil than a Kimber I tried a while back. The 1911 is not built for the 10mm and will get beat up pretty quick. It is a cool concept but not the right platform. Sammy

[guns_and_labs]

In the market for a 10mm "1911" style handgun and I could use a bit of info on what brand.

I was wanting a kimber but also saw tanfoglio, dan wesson, colt, S&W and even a les baer.

I am leaning tword the kimber but if there is a better option like less expensive for same thing or magazines are better/more available ect I would appruciate the advice.

I have a few 10mm's, and a little bit of experience with them. My current 10mm Posse consists of: Colt Delta Elite, Kimber 10mm, iAi Javelina Hunter, EAA Witness Hunter, Glock 29, Para P16/40 (10mm), Wyoming Arms Parker 10mm, Sig 220 (Grayguns conversion), and a Glock 20L. Past 10mm's include: S&W 610 (2), S&W 1006, Ruger Blackhawk Buckeye, and other Colt Delta Elites (3). I'm probably forgetting something.

The Kimber is on the CA list, and is an excellent choice, in my opinion. The Colt Delta Elite can be a good choice used, but I've seen all manner of problems with the occasional DE. Make sure that you check it carefully or have it checked. The DW and the Baer are top of the line, but also top dollar - and not on the list. The Tanfoglio/Witness platform is excellent, though not a 1911, and also not on the list. You can also convert a Para P16-40 to 10mm fairly easily, and that may be the best of all worlds.

The Glocks are good -- don't get me wrong, I have and trust both a G20 and a G29 -- but I prefer my Kimber or my Delta Elites.

[guns_and_labs]

The 1911 is not built for the 10mm and will get beat up pretty quick. It is a cool concept but not the right platform.

I respectfully beg to differ. I have many, many thousands of rounds of 10mm through 1911s, all full power. When sprung correctly and maintained, they are as good as they need to be.

That said, the S&W 1006 is a tank, and probably could shrug off a tactical nuclear device, if you could fit one in the cartridge case.

[MadMax]

Thanks for all the replies.

I already have two glocks (34 and 32) so I didn't really want to get another one, I have shot my buddies glock 10mm and I liked it.

Is the recoil in the 1911 style 10mm really worse than a glock. I thought the glock would be worse cause they are lighter?

This always confuses me a bit, so the baer and Dan Wesson are off list meaning only in state ppt transferable right? The kimber is on list so I can buy it from out of state and have it transfered in?

@ Guns and Labs there are a few kimber models any advice on a better model like Custom vrs Target. I would really like it to be a full size pistol, maybe even a longslide but I doubt they have one. Kimbers wesite is a bit confusing. On a sidenote you must REALLY like 10mm:-)

@ Sammy, thanks for the offer but I have shot 10mm and have a pretty good feel for it. If you want to shoot sometime just cause I am down. I go to chabot though it is really the only decent place to shoot rifles in the bay area.

Thanks again for the advice

[sammy]

I respectfully beg to differ. I have many, many thousands of rounds of 10mm through 1911s, all full power. When sprung correctly and maintained, they are as good as they need to be.

That said, the S&W 1006 is a tank, and probably could shrug off a tactical nuclear device, if you could fit one in the cartridge case.

That might be true. I only tried a Kimber once loaded with Double Taps and I swear the thing was going come apart in my hand. The 1006 absorbs full power 10mm's fine but the Glock has much less "snap" for lack of a better word. I have shot both in IDPA and I can get on target much faster with the Glock. It could be because the Glock has a much larger grip and gives the shooter more to hang on to.

I have 2 Les Baers and was interested in having one converted to 10mm. I called the factory and spoke with Les himself. He would not entertain the thought of converting my Baer. He said the round was way too powerful for that design. That is all I needed to hear.

[guns_and_labs]

Is the recoil in the 1911 style 10mm really worse than a glock. I thought the glock would be worse cause they are lighter?

This always confuses me a bit, so the baer and Dan Wesson are off list meaning only in state ppt transferable right? The kimber is on list so I can buy it from out of state and have it transfered in?

@ Guns and Labs there are a few kimber models any advice on a better model like Custom vrs Target. I would really like it to be a full size pistol, maybe even a longslide but I doubt they have one. Kimbers wesite is a bit confusing. On a sidenote you must REALLY like 10mm:-)

As to recoil, I personally do not find it "worse". It feels a little different due to the different shape of the grips, and how you hold each. I do know that the Glock takes longer for me to bring back on target, which I assume is due to how high it kicks or how high I hold it. The Glock also does damage to my fingers after a long range session. I can't seem to figure out what part of the trigger guard I'm hitting, but whatever part, it hurts. The G29 is worse.

I'd be happy to meet you at Chabot and let you try the Kimber. My G20 is in teardown mode, waiting for some better sights and a better trigger.

Baer, DW and Colt are all PPT-only. The Kimber is on the list for a couple of versions, so can be imported.

On the Kimber, I started with the Target, as I preferred the finish on that one. The Eclipse Custom II is only cosmetically different, as far as I could tell. The sights might have been different, too.

[guns_and_labs]

I have shot both in IDPA and I can get on target much faster with the Glock. It could be because the Glock has a much larger grip and gives the shooter more to hang on to.

Shooting IDPA with a 250+ power factor is impressive. You certainly avoid any Failure To Neutralize penalties from concussion alone.

I think I must grip the Glock too low, as I have the opposite -- my splits with the Glock are MUCH worse than the Kimber.

[robert101]

I have a DW PM-7 10MM and the gun is awesome. Smooth as silk. I personally wouldn't have an issue with a Kimber 10MM either. To bad Springfield Armory doesn't make a TRP in 10MM. Oh well. I think the 1911 platform is well suited to the 10MM and recoil is only marginally more than full-house 45 loads. But it is more. I shoot a fair amount of 45 ACP and only a little of my DW 10MM. If you can find a DW Sportsman or PM-7 here in CA, don't hesitate to buy it. I wish I had a Les B. in 10 that would be some fine gun.

[aermotor]

I'll throw down another vote for a Glock 20. Fantastic gun, manages the recoil quite well even on super hot loads. Going to get a 10mm barrel for my Glock 21 & 30 soon.