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I have heard that the German made SIG is the one to get. does anyone know any of the details on the US made SIGs that have problems? From my understanding is that the US frames do not work too well with the German made slides. but im not sure. can anyone clarify? thanks in advance.
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my 229 has a US made slide and a German frame. After 1k, no issues.01100010 01101111 01101111 01101101 00100000 01101000 01100101 01100001 01100100 01110011 01101000 01101111 01110100 00100001 -
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I have both types, and they both work just fine.Comment
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I like the all-German SIGs too!
Regardless where it's manufactured, it's still a SIG Sauer.
If it's a SIG Sauer it must be really good!Comment
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While I know that is more of a sarcastic reply, it isn't necessarily true. The stamped carbon slide is lighter than the stainless steel slides. Stainless slides don't have a removable breech block. Stamped slides also use a hollow roll pin vs. the stainless solid pin.
Oh yeah, stamped slides don't have an area of finish missing from the clamp.
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I think it's more of a "debate" than a issue...but, check out the below from Sig forum
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Originally posted by XXXXXXXXXXXX:
Just wondering what makes German made SIGs much more desirable then US made SIGs? Is it quality control? Please enlight me.
Justified or not, many have a strong perception that German build equals better quality. Personally, I think that has to be evaluated on a case-by-case basis.
One real difference is that folded carbon steel slides (P228, early P226, P225) are only made in Germany, as are Ilaflon slide SP-2022s.
Then the question of German built parts vs. full German assembly comes into play, as many SIG models have parts made in Germany but assembled in the US (SP-2022 9 mm comes to mind).
Judging by anecdotal evidence, there are more quality control issues with US-built and/or -assembled SIGs than with German built and assembled SIGs. Without hard data, it's hard to tell if this is really attributable to place of build. It could simply be that there are very few German assembled SIGs sold in the US, so naturally, there are fewer problems.
There is also an issue with MIM parts, which are allegedly just as durable as machined parts, but much cheaper to manufacture. There are allegations that MIM parts produce rougher trigger pull than machined parts. I'm not qualified to evaluate this.
One SIG model that seems to have escaped allegations of QC problems in US assembly is the P-239. Nobody seems to complain about P-239 quality in US built P-239s. That doesn't stop some people from preferring German built (and imported) P-239s, of which there is a very scarce supply.
Note that "made in" applies in different ways to different parts. Almost all (if not all) SIG frames are made in Germany. SIG slides are made in the U.S. (stainless steel) or Germany (carbon steel or Ilaflon SP-2022). SIGs with US made slides are generally assembled in the US. SIGs with German made slides can be assembled in Germany (SP-2022 .40) or in the U.S. (SP-2022 9 mm, P-228R).
My own experience is mixed. I have at least one of each type of SIG built: German build and assembly, US build and assembly (frame is still made in Germany), German built slide with U.S. assembly. Of these, the only one with a problem is the SP-2022 9 mm with German built slide and U.S. assembly. The problem is minor, consisting of a click during takeup of trigger slack before the trigger spring starts adding force.
Based on my experience, I would not hesitate to buy another U.S. built and assembled SIG (I'll consider the trigger click problem an exception).
On the other hand, the proof marks on the German assembled SP-2022 .40 looks really cool. To me, that is the best reason to buy a German assembled SIG. I also enjoy some of the symbolic markings on SIG tradeins from Swiss police departments.
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i have both US made P226 and german made P226. the german made one is better balance than the US made one. other then that, the internal looks about the same.Comment
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Two words scare me:
MIM extractor.
Good luck SIG Sauer!
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nothing wrong with MIM extractor for the new P226 becuase its an external extractor.
i dont think the internal extractor for the stamped slide is machine. the older P226 i have is made in 1989, the extractor looks fine.Comment
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