Educate a Nevadan II

[hoffmang]

Baron,

There is no law against buying guns to import them when you are otherwise legally importing them and legally selling them through an FFL here in California once you arrive.

-Gene

[jumbopanda]

Bring me an AR pistol! Off list of course!


You really should consider importing a few "unsafe" pistols into this state when you move though...

[CalNRA]

No snitching is necessary, in the emails posted between DOJ and various anti-gun groups, it was quite apparent that we are being watched. I'm not sure if these threads would be admissible in court as evidence but I'm sure it wouldn't help matters.

it's the guy's description of "saturday night special" that troubles me. Seecamps are hardly SNSs, with their 500+ prices. Seems like the guy uses pretty standard Brady talk.

[Cali-V]

Yeah Seecamps are special any night of the week!

[hoffmang]

"Saturday Night Special" is a racist term. It was coined to refer to guns that were inexpensive enough for racial minorities to purchase.

Just another situation where gun control is really about racism.

-Gene

[M. Sage]

it's the guy's description of "saturday night special" that troubles me. Seecamps are hardly SNSs, with their 500+ prices. Seems like the guy uses pretty standard Brady talk.

There was a reason I put after the "SNS." I personally hate the term, and think it's ridiculous that the "safe handgun roster" even exists.

After shooting a Kel Tec P3AT, I've been bit by the bug of small, cheap, no-frills (why put a safety on something that's barely got sights!?) handguns. Too bad they're "unsafe," so I can't buy 'em.

[626Tony]

When I saw that I went WOW!

same here!

[BaronW]

I'm not going to snitch, I wouldn't need to as this is a public forum.

Besides, I'm hoping for someone to eventually bring in an Automag II and decide to sell it. Also, I'd like to win the lottery.

[hoffmang]

Baron,

Its not about you being a snitch - its about there being no law prohibiting the practice.

-Gene

[BaronW]

The law says you can't import with intent to sell.

But you can import and then sell it. Basically the only way they could get you is if you had made your prior intent clear, like on an internet forum, for example.

[hoffmang]

BaronW,

You haven't been around here long enough to know that you have to quote the law to make a statement like that. Here is the Penal Code. Find where it says there is an intent standard when importing as a personal handgun importer:

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cacodes/pen.html

-Gene

[jmlivingston]

Thank you for the link Gene, that's much easier to read than the format which the DoJBoF has published on their website!

John

[BaronW]

12125. (a) Commencing January 1, 2001, any person in this state who
manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state
for sale, keeps for sale, offers or exposes for sale, gives, or lends
any unsafe handgun shall be punished by imprisonment in a county
jail not exceeding one year.

I was just quoting a more senior member in that other thread who did not themself post the laws. Unfortunately it seems the thread I was referring to is gone anyway.

IANAL, and I can't seem to find where it says PPTs are exempt, but the wording "imports into the state for sale" is what bothers me.

[hoffmang]

A personal handgun importer is by definition not importing for sale. The code you quote is not on point.

If you import handguns into California as a personal handgun importer you have to either register or sell them via PPT. There are tactical issues with selling them PPT without registering them unless you can get your CA DL or ID quickly. However, as long as you are transferring them via PPT and a CA FFL you are following the law.

There is some order of magnitude here in that if you did this with 1000 handguns a DA or CA DOJ BOF might try to charge you. However, its very unlikely they have something to charge you with.

-Gene

[BaronW]

I see. Thanks.