cz-75 sa pistol?

[Oldnoob]

for decocker type cz's PITA is an understatement.

Sig is the easiest DA/SA with decocker pistol that I know of. CZ is the most difficult that I know of.

[Oldnoob]

How do you do that? Pull the slide > Chamber a round > THEN lower the hammer for 1st shot in double action? Isn't that dangerous to lower the hammer on a chambered round?



I agree that the 1st round can accidently go off without you realizing in a stress situation, so double action 1st shot would be better. But how do you achieve that with CZ75? This can only be achieved in the Decocker type guns - like Sig, and CZ decocker.

I've noticed after you've chamberd a round, you can either leave the hammer back and put is on safe (cocked & locked), then you have to remember to lower the safety to Fire position, if you need to. However, there's really no way to get the 1st round in double action, unless you lower the hammer on a chambered round = no, no!... (IMO)

If you don't feel comfortable to thumb down the hammer, don't do it. But people have manually lower their hammer before either of us has been born.

[.40Cal]

Honestly I am not too sure what you are talking about. CZ makes the 75 in a decocker and non decocker type. I had the non decocker type before and was able to shoot in DA. Please decocking your gun by lowering the hammer is safe... I have done it plenty of times before. Just remember that you gun is loaded so point it in a safe direction and go slow. If you are really really paranoid you can put your finger in front of the hammer so if it does fall fast it will smash your finger vs. going off. But like I said it is safe I had one, I just personally didn't like the DA.

I know it CAN be done. But from all that I know and have heard, it is NOT Advisable to do that! You should never lower a hammer using your thumb method ('slowly' it maybe) on a 'chambered round'. Maybe, someone can shed some light on this... but this whole DA/SA thing doesn't really work, if THIS is how you intend to use it.

I think the DA/SA works mainly in the decocker type pistols. Anything else should be considered (including 1911 types) SA only. (IMO)

[.40Cal]

If you don't feel comfortable to thumb down the hammer, don't do it. But people have manually lower their hammer before either of us has been born.

TRUE! But then it kills the purpose of having a DA/SA pistol. Withouth the comfortable & safe method of using a 1st shot in DA mode, it's more of a SA only pistol then...

[traptrix]

I have a CZ 75B. I like it a lot and wouldn't hesitate to recommend one. Field stripping is a simple task, I have detail stripped it but honestly just blowing some clp through it and blowing that out with compressed air seems fine to me.
As far as lowering the hammer on a chambered round goes there are no holes in the walls at my place, common sense is the key here.
CZ has the Kadett kit available which converts it into a .22LR. Good cheap accurate .22 fun.

I have little experience with a BHP but they are a very good gun.
I chose the CZ.

[leelaw]

TRUE! But then it kills the purpose of having a DA/SA pistol. Withouth the comfortable & safe method of using a 1st shot in DA mode, it's more of a SA only pistol then...

Which is why it is available with a safety.

Carry with a round in the chamber, hammer cocked (don't do the funky "thumb it down blah blah blah" mentioned above) and safety engaged. Hold your thumb atop the safety, and if you need to shoot, flick the safety and pull the trigger.

The point of the DA ability in this configuration is to second strike a round which failed to fire, not to provide a long, hevay first trigger pull.

Now, your statement makes me wonder what is safe of having your finger on the trigger of a DA trigger, compared to a SA trigger, if you're not ready to fire in the first place. The concern you seem to have really feels like a failure to follow other safety procedures, rather than a drawback of a particular firearm.

[.40Cal]

^^ Using your "trigger finger" as a safety feature is always the best/most effective way (keeping away from the trigger, until ready to fire).....given that.... the Discussion was about 1st shot in DA mode.

[Paradiddle]

I LOVE mine. For me it fits me pefectly. I think it points as naturally as a Browning HP which I consider to be the best pointing pistol.

Great recoil management because of the weight. I converted mine to DA for IPSC competition because I think the SA frame fits better - the beavertail is swept up as opposed to the 75 DA/SA which is swept down.

Get one!

Here is mine prior to me putting on the thin aluminum/grip tape grips. Angus at Ghostholster did the work.

[luisdeleon]

you will never regret getting any of the CZ's. fine pistols ,i just got a P-01, very nice and happy i got it. next will be a SP-01

[doughboy334]

My friend has a CZ75 (forgot what model though).
It is a DA/SA type with no decocker, only safety. Dry firing on snap caps I noticed that the pull for DA wasn't so bad and heavy, but his SA break was light as f*** (trigger felt secure however, not like thing would fire accidentally if you held it the wrong way or something)! I forgot when he was talking about it if he put in a custom trigger or not.

He could either carry cocked and lock or manually lower hammer and keep it in DA (and if he wanted the safety still works with hammer down). Coming from a 1911, I'd go for the cocked and locked with the nice SA pull .

For the issue of lowering the hammer, I have a 1914 S&W Military and Police DA revolver that has no safety whatsoever, haven't had any accidents yet lowering the hammer but you just got to be careful all the time!

[Hk996]

I have the Pre B CZ-75 and it is one of my favorite guns! The only gun I've shot a 1 hole 7yrd target and 5 rounds.

[Fobanginvtek]

Thanks for the input guys. So whats the differ between DA/SA? I kind of understand it, but im getting confused wit hthe decocker/nondecocker talk....

[Oldnoob]

Thanks for the input guys. So whats the differ between DA/SA? I kind of understand it, but im getting confused wit hthe decocker/nondecocker talk....

Are you not familiar with Double Action/Single Action in semi auto pistols or you were asking about the differences between CZ75B model (which come in DA/SA) vs CZ75B SA model (which is Single Action Only)?

[Oldnoob]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trigger_%28firearms%29

Single-action (SA)

A single-action trigger, sometimes single-action only (SAO), performs the single action of releasing the hammer or striker to discharge the firearm each time the trigger is pulled.[1] Almost all rifles and shotguns use this type of trigger.[1] Single-action semi-automatic pistols require that the hammer be cocked before the first round can be fired, although most designs cock the hammer as part of the loading process (e.g, the act of inserting the magazine and operating the slide mechanism to chamber the first round also cocks the hammer or striker into the ready-to-fire position).[2] Once the first round is fired the automatic movement (recoil) of the slide cocks the hammer for each subsequent shot. The pistol, once cocked, can be fired by pulling the trigger once for each shot until the magazine is empty. The M1911 is a single-action pistol that functions in this manner.[2] Single action revolvers require the hammer to be cocked by hand every time the weapon is fired.

Double-action/Single-action (DA/SA)

A double-action/single-action firearm combines the features of both mechanisms. Often called traditional double action, these terms apply almost exclusively to semi-automatic handguns. The function of this trigger mechanism is identical to a DA revolver. However, the firing mechanism automatically cocks the hammer or striker after the gun is fired. This mechanism will cock and release the hammer when the hammer is in the down position but on each subsequent shot, the trigger will function as a single action. The Mateba Autorevolver is a hybrid revolver that functions on a DA/SA system. However, it is different in function than either a conventional revolver or semi-automatic pistol. The Beretta 92 is a good example of a DA/SA semi-automatic pistol. On many DA/SA pistols (including the Beretta) there is the option to cock the hammer before the first shot is fired. This removes the heavy pull of the double-action. Also, there is often a de-cocker to return the pistol to double-action.

Double-action only (DAO)

A double-action only is similar to a DA revolver trigger mechanism however there is no single action function. For semi-automatic pistols with a traditional hammer (that employ only the double action function of the trigger), the hammer will return to its decocked position after each shot. Subsequent shots require the double action trigger firing sequence. For striker-fired pistols such as the Taurus 24/7, the striker will remain in the rest position through the entire reloading cycle. This term applies mostly to semi-automatic handguns; however, the term can also apply to some revolvers such as the Smith & Wesson Centennial and the Enfield No. 2 Mk I revolvers. In the case of the Glock and Kahr semi-automatic pistols the striker is "cocked" to an intermediate position by the operation of the slide. The double action trigger completes the firing sequence from this intermediate cocked position. This is a critical point to understand for the successful operation of the firearm. Firearms of this type are operated practically as single action weapons. In order for the firing mechanism to function the slide must be operated to bring the striker to the cocked intermediate position; it is not possible to operate the firing mechanism multiple times without operating the slide between each firing sequence.

[Z ME FLY]

Thanks for the input guys. So whats the differ between DA/SA? I kind of understand it, but im getting confused wit hthe decocker/nondecocker talk....

I am confused by your statement

The difference between DA and SA is that double action is going to be a heavier trigger pull and the gun does not have the hammer back or cocked. SA gives a lighter trigger pull and is cocked. If I got a CZ I would get a SA one but thats because it would be a range gun. People are just asking too much for me, $550, $600 for the SA.