Beretta 92FS Question

[Guns R Tools]

Is magazine OEM or equally quality stuff?
Mags can cause many malfunction, specially some unknown aftermarket mags.

[tbhracing]

Still have my first Beretta 92F. It has a minimum of 100,000 down the tube since 1985. Every kind of 9mm ammo known to man (including 1000's of rds. of reloads) with the exception of the hot +P+ sub gun stuff. Never, ever a problem. Original slide, frame, guide rod, all springs, locking lug, barrel. Only thing different is a new pair of factory plastic grips, newer factory mags and the slide was refinished in the earlier 90's. The fit / action of the frame / slide is like butter.

Sir- How about a posted picture of that Beretta just so we may honor the work horse?

[tbhracing]

Got some pictures, thanks!

[Ricky-Ray]

The frame and slide are cleaned and lubed pretty well. At least I think. When I'm cleaning the gun I'll even use a toothbrush with solvent to get into the smallest areas. I'll even use a q-tip just like somebody else suggested when cleaning and lubing the gun too.

The mags are factory but I do have one aftermarket and that one does not give me any problems. Usually after coming back I'll just wipe them down. Never stripped them down before. Guess I'll have to look up how to strip and clean my mags.

I just placed an order for a new wolf guide rod and recoil spring. I actually ordered 2 springs, the factory 13# and a heavier 16#.

[Ricky-Ray]

Update.

So I ordered a new spring and metal guide rod back in Feb and installed it but did not get any time to shoot it until 2 weeks ago. I'm still back at square one. With new spring and guide rod installed, even a little extra oil on the slide, somewhere around the 175-250 round count it started stove piping or double feed.

It's not me limp wristing cuz I went with some friends to shoot so I was not shooting all 200+ rounds thru it. I also tore down the factory mags and cleaned them too but I did not change the mag springs.

Any other suggestions on what to look for? This is the only gun that I'm always having problems with.

[orangeusa]

It's not a normal occurance. I have three 92's (and a spare 96 upper). All three feed fine using everything WW has. I put 4000 rounds through one of them last year, 1000 through the 2nd (600+ in one day) and haven't shot the 3rd one much yet (just got it).

I can't quite figure out the stovepiping. It SOUNDS like mag or lubrication, that's always been the solution for 95% of 92FS problems....

The main problems guys have w/ Beretta 92/96's are (and I'm repeating what the others are saying above to some extent) :
1. Aftermarket mags - MDS/Beretta/MecGar seem to be very solid.
2. Lubrication - sounds like you are fine there. I have gone to just using lithium grease on everything on the gun (in very small quantity). I used to use EEZOX, Hoppes #9, CLP... lithium seems to work very well for me.. my 2 cents. And I took all 3 down to the frame and lubricated everything.... But new guns (with factory grease), and older guns which have sat around can have issues....

Mag maintenance is really not something you should have to worry about....

And I have tried to limp wrist mine to make them fail, was unable to.

The recoil spring is usually not the issue either... Unless someone has put in a non-stock one....

It's like everything else - divide and conquer. Beg/borrow/steal/buy (berettausa.com has them for $20) another mag to try.

Lastly - take it to a smith. Most of them know 92's like the back of their hand - a lot were in the military, and shouldn't charge much to figure out the issue....

Good luck, sorry I wasn't able to help more....

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[remyjoeboxer]

Mags, lube, springs, etc. All great advice, but small chance, if its been looked at already (which the OP seems to have done)
After several thousand rounds I had my 92 FTF only three times. And all three were on the same day while my 18 yr old female cousin was firing it. Verdict: limp wrist.
Both my marine buddy and myself couldn't believe it.

[Citadelonline]

The mags are factory but I do have one aftermarket and that one does not give me any problems.

Well there's your answer right there, at least part of it. You said you cleaned the mags, but you're still using the same ones. Buy a brand new Beretta oem mag and try it. But first check the extractor, both the claw and spring tension. Also clean well behind it, then a very light amount of lube here.

[Hatchet]

I carried a 92fs for years with thousands of rounds fired. Never a single malfunction in all that time. I have, however, witnessed several along the way. I agree with most of the advice above and would just add (or reiterate) a couple of points:

- 92fs do like it wet (don't we all?), got to lube it like you would a 1911.
- the locking block needs to be clean and is sensitive to under lubrication. I have seen several malfunctions because of this.
- I would also replace the springs in the factory mags and see if that makes a difference.

[runninmike]

Clean your mags good. You mention this happens after the gun gets like 200 rounds through it? You may have a weak extractor spring and the extractor may be worn enough that the spring gets really weak after adding heat of firing and lets go of the case before leading it all the way back to the extractor. Your ejector may be very loose and it only may cause intermittent stove pipes like you're getting. A detail strip and clean once in awhile never hurts. Replace the extractor spring and check the extractor groove and lip as well, it may be time-they're only metal and prone to wear, some go faster than others.

[wu_dot_com]

Update.

So I ordered a new spring and metal guide rod back in Feb and installed it but did not get any time to shoot it until 2 weeks ago. I'm still back at square one. With new spring and guide rod installed, even a little extra oil on the slide, somewhere around the 175-250 round count it started stove piping or double feed.

It's not me limp wristing cuz I went with some friends to shoot so I was not shooting all 200+ rounds thru it. I also tore down the factory mags and cleaned them too but I did not change the mag springs.

Any other suggestions on what to look for? This is the only gun that I'm always having problems with.

i think your problem sounds more like a extractor issue rather than the mag. where upon the extractor claw either slip on grabbing spent shell which caused double feed, or the grip is too weak where the ejector failed to fling the case out.

I would suggest you to detail strip the slide and clean the cavity that contain the extractor claw. check the claw face to make sure there is no dirt build up. if there is, it would mean that the claw would only grip the outer rim of the shell instead of the neck of the rim. you might also want to clean the based on the extractor spring cavity to make sure there are no dirt build up as well.

another unlikely possible reason that caused this timing issue could be a deform disassembly level face. my theory is that if nothing else checked out to be wrong, perhaps the disassembly level face is deform which would cause the return spring to rest at an angle. when the guild rod rests at an angle, it would throw off the timing since it would now take longer for the slide to fully open. this could happen over the period of 200 rds as each recoil push the guild rod off to an off center position.

[Hatchet]

another unlikely possible reason that caused this timing issue could be a deform disassembly level face. my theory is that if nothing else checked out to be wrong, perhaps the disassembly level face is deform which would cause the return spring to rest at an angle. when the guild rod rests at an angle, it would throw off the timing since it would now take longer for the slide to fully open. this could happen over the period of 200 rds as each recoil push the guild rod off to an off center position.

Interesting. Have you actually seen this happen? I would tend to think that it would essentially be self centering/ truing against the 90 degree surface of the bevel, but I am interested in knowing if you or others have seen this problem...Not a challenge, just genuinely curious if this can be a problem.

[wu_dot_com]

Interesting. Have you actually seen this happen? I would tend to think that it would essentially be self centering/ truing against the 90 degree surface of the bevel, but I am interested in knowing if you or others have seen this problem...Not a challenge, just genuinely curious if this can be a problem.

personally, no. because the disassembly lever is typically so thick that bending/ deforming it would be impossible. in addition, guild rods for most designs are typically none load bearing member. the only load it sees should only be compression loads from the spring exerted onto the base of the guild rod. other than the base, the slide always move in a linear fashion which does not allow the guild rod it self to receive any bending load or any excessive loads beside the recoil. since the disassembly lever face bears the loads from the guild rod, a bent guild rod could possible dent the face over time (or create minor pitting). however, since gun parts are typically way over design, the disassembly lever face should never deform under regular usage. the reason why i throw that out there is because it is not entirely impossible that the disassembly lever was never alter during its lifetime or the hardness of the face was not up to the design standard.