Glock 30 failure to fire

[jb7706]

The only reason I brought up the primer seating was it has happened to me. It sounds like gun is probably fine though. As for primer hardness if I remember right federal primers are suppose to be softer than winchester. Mark

Thanks Mark. I'll go through the rest of the ammo I have stocked and check them out. I'll add a check when I load the mags as well from now on.

Ya know, reloading is a perfect hobby for paranoid types.

[El Gato]

In my experience... it is usually the barrel not locking up tight.. like the reloads are too long... or the recoil spring is getting light...or the gun is getting dirty...check next time to see if the strike is off center... or if the slide seems a bit rough going forward... 2,000 rds is about time to change the recoil spring by the way.. per the Glock rep I talked to last week.... while I don't work with the 45's much... I pretty much keep the dept's glocks running and this seems to be a recoil spring issue more than not...

[jb7706]

In my experience... it is usually the barrel not locking up tight.. like the reloads are too long... or the recoil spring is getting light...or the gun is getting dirty...check next time to see if the strike is off center... or if the slide seems a bit rough going forward... 2,000 rds is about time to change the recoil spring by the way.. per the Glock rep I talked to last week.... while I don't work with the 45's much... I pretty much keep the dept's glocks running and this seems to be a recoil spring issue more than not...

It was centered and light. Slide and firing pin moved freely without any indication of binding/obstruction. That's the first I've heard about changing the recoil spring assy that early. I have another Glock that has several thousand rounds on it, still running the original springs from 1994!

[El Gato]

It was centered and light. Slide and firing pin moved freely without any indication of binding/obstruction. That's the first I've heard about changing the recoil spring assy that early. I have another Glock that has several thousand rounds on it, still running the original springs from 1994!

If the slide does not return all the way to battery during the recoil cycle, the firing pin will push it forward, thereby absorbing some of the firing pin spring energy...common... really common.. esp. on dirty guns and guns with worn recoil springs, oversize ammo...also a problem in guns where someone oiled the firing pin spring...
putting oil in the firing pin is like... well... bad...and can/does cause the gun to malfunction... esp. in areas with alot of dust...bad..like bad bad..

test:
empty the gun, then do it again, then do it again and have someone check it...
point the gun up and pull the trigger, hold the trigger back, then ease the slide to the rear to the end of it's travel, then while holding the trigger and pointing the gun at the ceiling, ease the slide forward...if it stops on it's own, partially back, fine.. let go gently and then bring the gun down with your arm so that it is level... if the slide stays to partially retracted.. the spring is too weak...qed..

[jb7706]

I called Glock this morning to discuss the spring replacement. The gun does pass the function check no problem, it goes back into battery every time. Glock Tech Services stated that they recommend a replacement guide rod and spring assy every 3000 rounds regardless of the gun model, even if the gun passes the function check described by El Gato.

[will227457]

I guess hard primers, winchesters are hard....

although ina stock gun it should have gone bang......

[1lostinspace]

it happens with every gun you just got lucky that it happen in a non life threatening situation.

[El Gato]

I called Glock this morning to discuss the spring replacement. The gun does pass the function check no problem, it goes back into battery every time. Glock Tech Services stated that they recommend a replacement guide rod and spring assy every 3000 rounds regardless of the gun model, even if the gun passes the function check described by El Gato.

replacement springs are cheap... I'd replace it .. even if it passes... your gun could be a little stiff/rough/tight.. and need the extra mojo... little guns like the 30 can be problematic as they don't have the slide mass to store the energy and then dispense it operating the gun... why I usually never carry a little auto...

my ccw guns run to 5 in 1911's and a glock 20...

[jb7706]

True enough, $15 +/- for a spring is cheap insurance.

[CWM4A1]

Change recoil spring so the gun would lock properly. To add extra insurance, detail strip the slide, clean the firing pin channel, and replace firing pin spring too. Glock had to change their 45ACP model (21/30/36) with extra power firing pin spring because standard firing pin spring found on 17/19/22/23 was reported to worn out/weaken faster on the 45ACP models.

Winchester primer are known to be on the harder side. I found Federal primer being the softest among all and most sensitive. However, they may be too soft sometimes. On the same load I could got flat primer (sign of over-pressure) with Federal primer but when using Winchester primer it looked perfectly fine.

[eli613770]

As i was reading the detailed description of the incident i was waiting to hear that the failure to feed load was a Reload

I had the same incident with my Glock 19

I was shooting reloads at Firing line in Burbank on my perfectly clean and lubed Glock 19

There was a failure to feed and the gun was seriously jammed it took force to eject the round

After close inspection of the round i concluded that the round must have been slightly dented in, leaving a groove in the brass that got caught causing while the glock was feeding the round

Now obviously if the FTF was caused by something else the jam would make a dent in the brass... duh. However, after comparing it with other pieces of brass in the same pack of reloads and closely inspecting the piece of brass i concluded that the round must have been deformed causing the FTF

I know the FTF and FTE on Glocks can be a serious issue, the topic comes up when threads are discussing the reliability on Glocks and then they use proof from the folks that said their Glocks had failures.

I dont have as many years of experience as other folks do. I am not saying that this is what happened to your Glock 30 im just sharing what happened with my Glock 19 and how it might be related to you incident

[jb7706]

As i was reading the detailed description of the incident i was waiting to hear that the failure to feed load was a Reload

I had the same incident with my Glock 19

I was shooting reloads at Firing line in Burbank on my perfectly clean and lubed Glock 19

There was a failure to feed and the gun was seriously jammed it took force to eject the round

After close inspection of the round i concluded that the round must have been slightly dented in, leaving a groove in the brass that got caught causing while the glock was feeding the round

Now obviously if the FTF was caused by something else the jam would make a dent in the brass... duh. However, after comparing it with other pieces of brass in the same pack of reloads and closely inspecting the piece of brass i concluded that the round must have been deformed causing the FTF

I know the FTF and FTE on Glocks can be a serious issue, the topic comes up when threads are discussing the reliability on Glocks and then they use proof from the folks that said their Glocks had failures.

I dont have as many years of experience as other folks do. I am not saying that this is what happened to your Glock 30 im just sharing what happened with my Glock 19 and how it might be related to you incident

I don't think this was a feed failure, the gun was totally in battery after the click no bang. Based on what I have seen and read this looks like a primer seating problem. I'll replace the guide rod and spring assy just to be sure, and I'll call Glock about the firing pin spring tomorrow and replace that if recommended.

[eli613770]

I don't think this was a feed failure, the gun was totally in battery after the click no bang. Based on what I have seen and read this looks like a primer seating problem. I'll replace the guide rod and spring assy just to be sure, and I'll call Glock about the firing pin spring tomorrow and replace that if recommended.
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I have shot over 3000 rounds in that Glock half before and half after the FTF with no issues