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  • jb7706
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2008
    • 1570

    Glock 30 failure to fire

    Was at the range yesterday working on some basics. I had fired maybe 30 rounds. On one round the gun went "CLICK" with no bang. I waited for a hang fire that never came. Pulled the round and it had a dent in the primer, but was definitely lightly struck. Ran it back into the chamber and second strike fired the round without issue.

    I have several thousand rounds through Glock's, however only about 2 thousand or so in this gun, and never a problem with a Glock that was not my fault. Never had any failure of any kind with this gun until yesterday. It is bone stock. Firing pin moves freely in the slide, no indication of any obstructions. The gun is lightly lubed per factory recommendations so no gunk build up anywhere. Only maybe 300 rounds at most since last cleaning, and I have gone much longer than that without cleaning in the past with no problems.

    About the ammo. Yes they are hand loads. I have been through over 1500 rounds without failure. The rounds are 180 gr Montana Gold HPs over about (would have to look at the load card in the garage) 4.7 gr of Bullseye in Winchester brass using WLP primers. I case gauge 100% of my ammo so I'm 100% certain that the dimensions were good. The prior round had normal recoil and I'm sure I didn't limp wrist it so I don't think it was a cycle problem.

    In competition I have noticed several failures to fire for shooters using Winchester ammo, mostly the white box stuff. I'm not sure if that indicates a run of iffy primers from Winchester last year during the peak of the components crisis or not, and to be fair my observations are purely anecdotal.

    I can see no reason for the gun to be at fault, and I would not worry about it if this particular gun were not my HD gun. Is there anything else I should be looking at? Something I missed? I don't know if I should chalk this up to stuff happens, worry about my gun or blame the ammo.

    I fired another 30 or so rounds after that with no issues. Any ideas?
  • #2
    Stanze
    Veteran Member
    • Oct 2005
    • 3301

    Detail strip and clean the slide. Do not lube striker channel, striker or ejector.

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    • #3
      jb7706
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2008
      • 1570

      Originally posted by Stanze
      Detail strip and clean the slide. Do not lube striker channel, striker or ejector.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4U5fc88BN4
      I only lube per the user manual/armorers manual. I never put any lube on the striker, ejector or anywhere in the channel, all are dry after detail strip. I was planning on a detail strip to make me feel better, but I really don't have any indication that dirt/carbon is or was an issue.

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      • #4
        Stanze
        Veteran Member
        • Oct 2005
        • 3301

        Originally posted by jb7706
        I only lube per the user manual/armorers manual. I never put any lube on the striker, ejector or anywhere in the channel, all are dry after detail strip. I was planning on a detail strip to make me feel better, but I really don't have any indication that dirt/carbon is or was an issue.
        Logically speaking then, it must of been the ammo.
        Constitutionally, officials cannot license or register a fundamental right.

        "It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority." - Benjamin Franklin


        "Lifetime warranty and excellent customer service don't mean a thing when your gun fails during a zombie attack." -Stanze

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        • #5
          sammy
          Veteran Member
          • Oct 2006
          • 3847

          Was the primer strike off center? Did it look anything like this? I have had similar problems in my G19 but none in the last 2000 or so rounds.

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          • #6
            jb7706
            Senior Member
            • Mar 2008
            • 1570

            Originally posted by sammy
            Was the primer strike off center? Did it look anything like this? I have had similar problems in my G19 but none in the last 2000 or so rounds.
            No, but good question. Strike was dead center, just light.

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            • #7
              railroader
              Veteran Member
              • Oct 2005
              • 3115

              My guess is you had a primer that wasn't seated 100% The first time you fired the round the primer seated the rest of the way and put the dent in the primer. The second time when it was fully seated it fired. Mark

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              • #8
                Noobert
                Veteran Member
                • Jan 2009
                • 3342

                hard primer? or just that Glocks suck. Is anyone noticing these messages yet?
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                • #9
                  for2nato
                  Member
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 446

                  i would venture to say also primer was not seated fully. if you detail strip it and dont find any problems then this is probably your issue. and i would pay it no mind other than to inspect your hand loads better before firing them.
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                  • #10
                    Katana
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2005
                    • 616

                    What could cause that? Firing pin striking with slide out of battery?

                    Originally posted by sammy
                    Was the primer strike off center? Did it look anything like this? I have had similar problems in my G19 but none in the last 2000 or so rounds.

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                    • #11
                      jb7706
                      Senior Member
                      • Mar 2008
                      • 1570

                      Originally posted by Katana
                      What could cause that? Firing pin striking with slide out of battery?
                      Yes. Ask Gryff about that.

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                      • #12
                        jb7706
                        Senior Member
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 1570

                        Originally posted by for2nato
                        i would venture to say also primer was not seated fully. if you detail strip it and dont find any problems then this is probably your issue. and i would pay it no mind other than to inspect your hand loads better before firing them.
                        Originally posted by railroader
                        My guess is you had a primer that wasn't seated 100% The first time you fired the round the primer seated the rest of the way and put the dent in the primer. The second time when it was fully seated it fired. Mark
                        Interesting that you both say that. I'm in the habit of checking primer seating by feel on the press, visually and by feel when I put it in the case gauge and again in a plastic insert from a commercial box of ammo. I use 'em to keep count of the rounds I bag up. Unlikely it was not seated but I am human and it's not impossible I missed one. Gun seems to be in perfect order otherwise after a detail strip and cleaning, so this seems to be the most likely cause.

                        Originally posted by Noobert
                        hard primer? or just that Glocks suck. Is anyone noticing these messages yet?
                        Maybe. OT, but if Glock's suck so bad why are they almost never the guns that experience a failure on the line? I find it odd that at every single match I attend there will ALWAYS be more than one 1911 and the less common Sig stop running, but the Glock's just keep going. I have witnessed one Glock failure that was not bad ammo (dead winchester primer) that was an operator induced stovepipe. This is the first time I have ever experienced this with a Glock, that is why it bothers me so much. Or are you just jealous that Glock shooters only practice failure drills, they rarely ever have to use them?

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                        • #13
                          Noobert
                          Veteran Member
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 3342

                          ROFL, trying my trolling skills with the white font
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                          • #14
                            railroader
                            Veteran Member
                            • Oct 2005
                            • 3115

                            The only reason I brought up the primer seating was it has happened to me. It sounds like gun is probably fine though. As for primer hardness if I remember right federal primers are suppose to be softer than winchester. Mark

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                            • #15
                              jb7706
                              Senior Member
                              • Mar 2008
                              • 1570

                              Originally posted by Noobert
                              ROFL, trying my trolling skills with the white font
                              It's all good, pretty tame trolling.

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