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  • 23 Blast
    Veteran Member
    • Dec 2009
    • 3754

    Problem with Beretta 92fs

    Hi folks. I'm wondering if any gunsmiths/instructors might be able to shed some light on this for me.

    I have a Beretta 92fs which I bought used from Turners about six months ago. While it feeds and functions flawlessly, even with the Mec-Gar after market mags I bought for it (seller apparently kept the mags), it always seems to shoot low and to the left for me. Now, I'm no great pistol shot or anything, but I feel like I have reasonable trigger control and usually manage to put bullets where I'm aiming with almost all the other guns I own, but I feel like maybe the Beretta I bought is just a lemon.

    A couple of things: the gun has a pretty good ding/scratch on the front of the barrel. The position of the scratch is in the 4:00-4:30 position if you were looking at the business end of the muzzle. The nature of the scratch is such that either the gun was dropped on cement, or perhaps it was in a holster where the muzzle was exposed, and whoever was wearing it had the muzzle resting on some hard, abrasive surface ( like say, a concrete park bench or something) then suddenly got up and scraped the front of the barrel in the process. I bought the gun thinking that this was just a cosmetic flaw which I could deal with, since the scrape didn't extend inside the bore and affect the rifling.

    However, as mentioned, it consistently prints low and to the left. I suppose I could just drift the sights to the right and aim high, but it bugs me that a handgun well known for being accurate/precise (thanks csacanoneer! ), is anything but for me. In addition to being low and to the left, the groups are likewise reminiscent of a Red Ryder.

    One other thing I noticed (which may or may not be normal - Beretta owners can perhaps shed light) is that on the ouside of the barrel, there are wear marks where apparently the barrel contacts the front portion of the slide where it loops over the top of the barrel. The wear is only on the left side of the barrel. If I'm holding the pistol and looking down the sights, the wear pattern on the barrel is located from between the 9:00 position up to about the 11:00 position.

    My conclusion is that perhaps the previous owner dinged up his gun, probably bent the barrel ever so slightly, and it's crookedness is now contributing to the lack of accuracy, even if it still functions reliably. That could explain why the gun was sold wihout mags - maybe he figured he'd dump his lemon on a sucker like me, then just buy a new Beretta and keep the mags.

    Hope I'm wrong, though. It's not often that I regret a gun purchase, but I'm starting to regret this one.
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    08duramax
    Member
    • Jul 2009
    • 441

    post pictures
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    • #3
      23 Blast
      Veteran Member
      • Dec 2009
      • 3754

      Unfortunately, I don't have the gun with me. (would be nice, but I but like being employed, you know?) I'll see if I can post pics tomorrow.
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      • #4
        hybridatsun350
        Calguns Addict
        • Apr 2007
        • 5336

        This...

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        • #5
          El Gato
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2009
          • 1613

          you are very likely shooting low and left...unlikely the gun is.... very doubtful it is the gun...get some dummy rounds and have a friend mix them with some factory rounds in the mag... and then watch the front sight while you press the trigger... do this until your buddy and you are certain you are not jerking the crap outa the trigger...in my 40 or so years of teaching gun stuff... that is the most common error... or looking at the target instead of the sight...

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          you could have the barrel re-crowned too...try the dummies first.
          Last edited by El Gato; 12-20-2009, 7:13 PM.
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          • #6
            ojisan
            Agent 86
            CGN Contributor
            • Apr 2008
            • 11763

            One other thing I noticed (which may or may not be normal - Beretta owners can perhaps shed light) is that on the ouside of the barrel, there are wear marks where apparently the barrel contacts the front portion of the slide where it loops over the top of the barrel. The wear is only on the left side of the barrel. If I'm holding the pistol and looking down the sights, the wear pattern on the barrel is located from between the 9:00 position up to about the 11:00 position.

            Wear marks should be minimal and even all the way around. Sounds like the barrel is bent, or for some reason the locking block / barrel is not sitting straight in the frame.
            If you can find someone who has another matching gun, I would test fit the various known-good parts from the other gun (slide, barrel, locking block) to your gun one at a time until you find the problem.

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            • #7
              El Gato
              Senior Member
              • Mar 2009
              • 1613

              the barrel moves slightly up and down during the recoil cycle...seriously doubt the barrel is bent... really...the kind of force that would take is like alot...alot alot....like bend the frame and slide alot...buy some dummies and go to the range...seriously... we have over a thousand people in class most any given year and many have berettas.. they all shoot to fairly close to point of aim etc...try the saf t trainers...
              had a guy on the range yesterday and he wouldn't believe me till the third trainer hit he pipe and he dipped the gun... now he's a believer... he shot good groups.. .just low left...
              Greebo, as a matter of feline pride, would attempt to fight or rape absolutely anything, up to and including a four-horse logging wagon. Ferocious dogs would whine and hide under the stairs when Greebo sauntered down the street. Foxes Kept away from the village. Wolves made a detour. Terry Pratchett

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              • #8
                23 Blast
                Veteran Member
                • Dec 2009
                • 3754

                I know that it's unlikely that the barrel itself is bent, but yeah, it's possible that when it got dinged, it probably jacked up the way the locking block sits in the slide/frame interface.

                I'm also aware that it's possible I'm flinching, but as I tried to explain, I'm a decent shot with all my other pistols, and those include a .357 and a .45, both of which have considerably more kick than the gentle-recoiling Beretta.

                Simplest solution of all might just be a "2:00" hold on the target!
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                • #9
                  zhyla
                  Banned
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 2017

                  How far off the target is it shooting? Nothing described sounds bad to me.

                  What does the bore look like? All smooth, no pitting?

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                  • #10
                    El Gato
                    Senior Member
                    • Mar 2009
                    • 1613

                    Originally posted by 23 Blast
                    I know that it's unlikely that the barrel itself is bent, but yeah, it's possible that when it got dinged, it probably jacked up the way the locking block sits in the slide/frame interface.

                    I'm also aware that it's possible I'm flinching, but as I tried to explain, I'm a decent shot with all my other pistols, and those include a .357 and a .45, both of which have considerably more kick than the gentle-recoiling Beretta.

                    Simplest solution of all might just be a "2:00" hold on the target!
                    just because you shoot one gun well doesn't mean you wont have problems with another gun of a different design... hammer dwell time, grip position, grip size, angle etc.. all make shooting it different... doesn't mean you are a bad shot... just means this particular gun is stretching you a bit... better to resolve the issues which will ultimately make you a better well rounded shooter... Also, I don't know about other shooters but the beretta seems to shoot better for me with hotter loads... corbon etc... give the dummies a try...seriously...and the double action first shot hitting differently than the single action shots would be normal...
                    Greebo, as a matter of feline pride, would attempt to fight or rape absolutely anything, up to and including a four-horse logging wagon. Ferocious dogs would whine and hide under the stairs when Greebo sauntered down the street. Foxes Kept away from the village. Wolves made a detour. Terry Pratchett

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                    • #11
                      23 Blast
                      Veteran Member
                      • Dec 2009
                      • 3754

                      Originally posted by zhyla
                      How far off the target is it shooting? Nothing described sounds bad to me.

                      What does the bore look like? All smooth, no pitting?
                      At 10 yards (my preferred default pistol shooting distance) , the shots are typically low and to the left approximately 4-5" from center of bull.

                      The pistol's bore is almost like new. That is one reason I got excited when I bought it - other than the ding/scrape on the muzzle, it was like 95-98% condition. I thought it was curious that the seller kept the mags, which is why I suspected a lemon.

                      Gato, yeah - I'll try to practice more with the gun, but I thought that Berettas were among the most "user-friendly" pistols around, being gentle in recoil, easy to grip, and easy to hit with. That was a big reason for it's popularity, which is why I'm puzzled that I shoot so poorly with it while shooting very well with my cz75b (a gun which I was easily hitting POA right away).
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                      • #12
                        El Gato
                        Senior Member
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 1613

                        Originally posted by 23 Blast
                        At 10 yards (my preferred default pistol shooting distance) , the shots are typically low and to the left approximately 4-5" from center of bull.

                        The pistol's bore is almost like new. That is one reason I got excited when I bought it - other than the ding/scrape on the muzzle, it was like 95-98% condition. I thought it was curious that the seller kept the mags, which is why I suspected a lemon.

                        Gato, yeah - I'll try to practice more with the gun, but I thought that Berettas were among the most "user-friendly" pistols around, being gentle in recoil, easy to grip, and easy to hit with. That was a big reason for it's popularity, which is why I'm puzzled that I shoot so poorly with it while shooting very well with my cz75b (a gun which I was easily hitting POA right away).
                        again... it's not just practice it's figuring out what YOU are doing with this particular gun..no blame here...no worries just a problem to solve.. an issue to figure out.... try the dummies...seriously... if you are not moving the front sight at all during firing.. then send the gun to beretta and they will make it right... along with a target... but with dummies mixed in with live ammo, the front sight should not move at all when the hammer falls...and shoot it at 15 yards at least, if not 25... with the dummies...it will make a difference
                        Last edited by El Gato; 12-20-2009, 11:11 PM.
                        Greebo, as a matter of feline pride, would attempt to fight or rape absolutely anything, up to and including a four-horse logging wagon. Ferocious dogs would whine and hide under the stairs when Greebo sauntered down the street. Foxes Kept away from the village. Wolves made a detour. Terry Pratchett

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                        • #13
                          RogueSniper
                          Veteran Member
                          • Feb 2008
                          • 3749

                          Have you tried shooting from a pistol rest? In order to identify the problem, we have to eliminate the possible. If you are squeezing your fingers when pulling the trigger, using the pistol rest stabilizes the pistol and prevents the jerking. If the barrel is bent (unlikely), we'll see something else.

                          If I'm shooting low and left, I'll check my grip and it's usually the problem.

                          We'll wait for your pics.
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                          • #14
                            buffybuster
                            Veteran Member
                            • Oct 2005
                            • 2615

                            Pictures would be nice.

                            All 92's have some wear marks on the outside of the barrel near the front of the slide. Has no bearing on the accuracy of the pistol. Very much doubt the barrel or locking block is bent. Have you had someone else (of known skill) shoot the pistol? If from a solid rest, the pistol shoots low-left for multiple people (of known skill), then consider changing out the rear sight.

                            That said, I've never seen a Beretta come from the factory with a really unregulated rear sight. Beretta's been making 92's for a long time and they have the sight configuration pretty figured out and they usually do a pretty good job of having a good basic Zero from the factory (if it hasn't been messed with by an owner).
                            Last edited by buffybuster; 12-20-2009, 11:14 PM.
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                            • #15
                              9mmepiphany
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Jul 2008
                              • 8075

                              it's always good to get another shooter to try it too...just to see if it is shooting the same for them
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