1911 never registered

[okfornow]

i have an employee who wants to sell a 1911 that was given to him a few years back and was not registered in his name what can he do? he has no contact info or even last name for the person who gave it to him he took it for money owed also its never been fired

[freonr22]

[1 SIG fan]

the DOJ form on their website says that if you fill out and register (pay the fee) they won't prosecute back for not having done it correctly then.

[Librarian]

i have an employee who wants to sell a 1911 that was given to him a few years back and was not registered in his name what can he do? he has no contact info or even last name for the person who gave it to him he took it for money owed also its never been fired

California does not require handguns to be registered. Nor does it register long guns.

California accomplishes the registration it imposes through the DROS process, when handguns are transferred through a dealer. But the requirement to use a dealer was imposed in 1991, and people moving into CA ("Personal Handgun Importers") were not required to register their handguns before 1998, so there are many unregistered handguns.

In this case, the transfer almost certainly should have gone through an FFL, but since that's water under the bridge, the employee can now properly transfer it, it will go through the DROS process, and CA will be 'happy'.

[okfornow]

so what you are saying is that if he walks into a gun shop and does a ppt and the person does the 10 day waiting time everything is hunky dory?

[hybridatsun350]

so what you are saying is that if he walks into a gun shop and does a ppt and the person does the 10 day waiting time everything is hunky dory?

Correct. There is no requirement to register handguns in California. However, transferring a handgun without going through a third party (FFL01) is a crime.

[ck867]

just go do a PPT at a gun store and you should be good to go. The new 1911 will then be registered to you and your friend is free and clear. (that's if the gun isn't reported stolen for any reason.)

[Fot]

just go do a PPT at a gun store and you should be good to go. )

Noob question
You can do a PPT without knowing who the last owner of the gun was?

[ck867]

Noob question
You can do a PPT without knowing who the last owner of the gun was?

in the original posters scenario, the so called orignal owner is irrelevant at this point.

[golfrj]

in the original posters scenario, the so called orignal owner is irrelevant at this point.

That's Right, all Ca cares about at this point is he is there, you are there, AND they are Gonna get their Money now....

[pullnshoot25]

i have an employee who wants to sell a 1911 that was given to him a few years back and was not registered in his name what can he do? he has no contact info or even last name for the person who gave it to him he took it for money owed also its never been fired

DOJ doesn't care where the gun came from, as long as it isn't a stolen gun. You are not legally required to register handguns in this state.

Buy in peace.

[randy]

If it's not stolen then he can sell it and not worry about it. If it comes back stolen well then he's got some splainin to do.

[MossbergMan]

I disagree Pullnshoot25, PRK requires the out of state "importers" to register defacto through self registering within 60 days, handguns they intend to keep here. Being in possession of a handgun, not in the Automated Firearms Database (AFD) can result in some very difficult legal issues, especially if it's a post 1991 manufactured handgun. Although many guns exist without benefit of being in the datebase because of their per 1991 ownership, it can still be a sticky situation.
If the poster took the 1911 in lieu of payment after 1991 without benefit of an FFL there is an issue. Of course brurden of proof is on the State and Feds. Did the Poster take delivery after the HSC was required and does he have/had one. If he sells it and it's stolen he's toast. Regardless of how he came into possession of it, it is possession of stolen goods (firearm).
Pesonally I'd find a cop friend to run the serial# and see if it gets a hit. If it does...."look what I found in the bushes officer".
How do I know about this? I bought, what turned out to be a stolen gun. PPT, when it was still legal. Had a Sheriff pal run the # and sure enough I was in possession of a gun taken in a home invasion robbery. I had the good fortune of going to the guys house to buy the gun. Lead the coppers to his door. I think I still have the faded yellow receipt for my $200.

[Fot]

in the original posters scenario, the so called original owner is irrelevant at this point.

Ok not trying to hijack the thread, but the Op got his answer and I have a similar situation so I will ask a follow up of sorts.

My father has offered to give me a handgun. This gun was part of some "horse trade" he did a few years back(3-5 years ago?) Neither guy was a big gun owner and unfamiliar with the laws and did a straight hand off transaction so to speak.. No dealer transfer. I had turned down the gun as I thought the hassle of transferring it legally after all that would be too much of a hassle, and it was a cheap gun (high standard duramatic 22 that needs some work), also my dads friend moved out of state and no clue where he is now. SO i passed, reading this thread has made me reconsider. Little bit of work and this would be a great gun for my kids to learn on.

I have zero worries on the gun being stolen, my dad and his friend are not criminal just ignorant of transfer laws.

The question is how to legally transfer this gun to me?

Thank you guys.

[rabagley]

1) meet with FFL.
2) complete handgun PPT DROS process $35 + tax + gun lock.
3) wait 10 days.
4) have fun with gun.