Shot in Chest Several times w/ .45 and Survive?

[pnkssbtz]

Wow...

(Don't know what else to say! Wow!)

[QuarterBoreGunner]

That dumpster behind Reed's and the alleyway have always been a little creepy, and now I know why

Funny thing, when I was last there (at Reed's) about 6 months ago, the neighbor whose cement wall fronts on the parking lot, still hadn't painted since the shooting. So my two rounds that missed the badguy impacted and turned to fragments there. So if you walk straight out the door from Reed's and veer slightly left then look down on the wall low near the asphalt, you'll see the two impact marks and the yellow chalk outline from the PD investigation around them.

[gose]

Gose: stop ruining my attempts to save money on JHP ammo.

JHPs are marginally better, yes. I still wouldn't want to be shot with a FMJ.

Heheh, get yourself a Dillon and make your own ammo. That's what I had to do after convincing myself that JHPs are better

[Aluisious]

Spin knock zipper technique?

[QuarterBoreGunner]

The important part in both these cases is that the criminal act was STOPPED with no harm to the victim

Absolutely the most important bottom line.

[whomper]

Spin knock zipper technique?

Yeah. I'm curious about that one.

[1911_sfca]

Nope, she turned hers in.

Yeah, but only after she was deputized as a U.S. Marshal so that she can carry anywhere.

[Aluisious]

Yeah, but only after she was deputized as a U.S. Marshal so that she can carry anywhere.

Wow, just gets better and better.

[DRM6000]

wow, i just read quarterboregunner's story and it was great. lots of detail and a happy ending.

[AYEAREFIFTEEN]

One of the things that is keeping the death toll in Iraq low is that many (most? all?) grunts there are trained as EMTs, and get injured soldiers out really quickly.

The Kevlar vest with forged steel plates also help keep most if not all small arms rounds away from vital organs. That is a heavy damn vest, uncomfortable as all hell, but worth its weight in gold.

[donger]

Yeah, but only after she was deputized as a U.S. Marshal so that she can carry anywhere.

Yup, I know she tried to get deputized so she could carry on airlines. But I don't know if that ever happened.

[M. Sage]

its only a handgun.

+1000

[Franksremote]

this is why you aim for the head.

25 years ago +/- a friend of my father's had a break in at his home and ended up shooting the guy with one of his shotguns, injuring but not killing him. When the officers arrived, they stated to him that he should have killed him as there would be less paperwork, and he wouldn't have to deal with a civil lawsuit from the would-be burglar. Interesting that the sentiment hasn't really changed regarding civil suits from folks that screw up when trying to take your property/life and not succeeding. I second some legislature that prohibits would be attackers shot during the commission of their crime from suing.

This was at the old National Shooting Club, now Reed's Range.

There was some firsthand info posted here quite a while back. One of the employees received a rare Santa Clara carry permit after this, in the truly convoluted LEO logic that you need a carry permit more *after* you've been threatened with a gun...

One of the employees at Reeds told me this story when I inquired about his shotgun shell carrier in addition to a pistol and extra mags about 6 months ago. I was glad then that the innocents weren't harmed and after reading the complete account am really glad now that QBG saved his fellow employees from what could have been an ugly outcome.

[Aluisious]

25 years ago +/- a friend of my father's had a break in at his home and ended up shooting the guy with one of his shotguns, injuring but not killing him. When the officers arrived, they stated to him that he should have killed him as there would be less paperwork, and he wouldn't have to deal with a civil lawsuit from the would-be burglar. Interesting that the sentiment hasn't really changed regarding civil suits from folks that screw up when trying to take your property/life and not succeeding. I second some legislature that prohibits would be attackers shot during the commission of their crime from suing.

I wonder what shotgun load that was. 00 or 1 buck to center of mass should almost certainly be fatal. The odds are good of hitting something important.

Birdshot, or slug perhaps?

[QuarterBoreGunner]

they stated to him that he should have killed him as there would be less paperwork

Yeah well I was more concerned with saving my and the other people with me collective butts.

In the weeks after I went back and forth over how I felt about him living. By all rights he should have died. Bleed out, defibrillated twice in the bus on the way to the trauma center; I heard later from one of the SCPD detectives that rode with him and was in the ER while they were working on him. A ER doc said to him "look at his (Steven's) feet, see how yellow they are, this guy has no blood left in him and he's very likely going to die." Well, he didn't. Hurray for modern medicine.
I'm ok with him living I guess. Don't have to deal with all the baggage associated with taking a life. It's all good to posture and play internet tough guy, but when the rubber hits the road it's all different. Knowing you're in the right and that you did what you did to survive doesn't change the immensity of actually shooting another human being (I'm being generous I know, Steven's is/was a scum bag.) It does make you much more aware of all the practice, all the dry fire, all the controlled doubles and perforated silhouettes, it's all for real and yeah, someday you may actually have to do the deed.

Whatever; he's in the joint for a heck of a long time, and if, sometime in 2049, he is up for a parole hearing, I'll have the grandkids, the great grandkids and the robot nanny push my hover chair into the court and I'll do my best to convince the board that this SOB should not be let out.